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You are delusional....
Just compare 2014 HURD's numbers with 2017 numbers for John Kelly.....similarly inept OL and overall team talent....and HURD outshines Kelly easily....
There is just NO way to conjure up a football field that will produce John Kelly as a better RB or football player than Jalen Hurd.
Hate on Hurd if you have to for quitting for a sorry-azz excuse of a head coach in Jones--but to blatantly deny Hurd's athleticism and ability on the field is just the epitome of stupidity...
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Hurd didn't have break away speed but he was a tough runner. The style of play wasn't suited for him and honestly, he probably would have been better off being a hybrid back/receiver.
Kelly doesn't have elite speed but definitely faster than Hurd atleast in-game. But Kelly makes up for it withhis quickiness and shiftiness. I bet his shuttle and cone drills were solid.
Kamara was special before he came to UT and that's why I was so happy for him to come here. I was in awe when he chose Bama because of the depth. However, one thing that I will say is that I don't think Kamara is an every down back but a true all purpose back. Doesn't make sense but he thrives in systems that do not him as the featured back which is why UT (even though we misused him) and NO are great places for him.
Kelly doesn't have elite speed but definitely faster than Hurd atleast in-game. But Kelly makes up for it withhis quickiness and shiftiness. I bet his shuttle and cone drills were solid.
Kamara was special before he came to UT and that's why I was so happy for him to come here. I was in awe when he chose Bama because of the depth. However, one thing that I will say is that I don't think Kamara is an every down back but a true all purpose back. Doesn't make sense but he thrives in systems that do not him as the featured back which is why UT (even though we misused him) and NO are great places for him.
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No it was 4.8. You go ahead and be an ESPN whore. And its TAILOR made. I dont trust your eyes but no matter. I never argued that Hurd was a fit...quite the opposite. Kelly was more explosive in less carries. Almost 700 yards in 8 games with no Dobbs or Kamara to take any pressure off? On top of 630 yards in a limited role the season before? Astronomical production! Especially in comparison to Hurds 3.7 yards and a cloud of plop.
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Look at you getting all personal and butthurt over a difference of opinion...so UNLIKE you. :lol: Not sure why youre injecting Butch into this discussion, cept he held on to Hurd to long and didnt let the real studs out of the stall until Hurd was a goner. Kelly fit the offense and thrived...Hurd didnt. In 2014, playing 5 more games he outrushed Kelly by 205 yards...thats epic! Put up 64 yards a game to Kellys 87...maybe numbers mean something different in your lil world? Once again youve failed to change my mind...future success in all your ventures. :hi:
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Both are right...
"The H-back, depending upon your system, has two very different purposes. In the power based game, teams like Alabama use their H-back as another blocker. An homage, of sorts, to the second lead guy in the Power-I formation. Yes, guys like Kelly Johnson have caught passes, but in general, their role is that of a second fullback, a guy who can help keep a punishing run game ."
Hurds total yardage was higher ONLY because he was Lyles exclusive running back for 2.5 years and got 286 more total touches.
Kelly averaged more yards per carry, more yards per touch, and had a much better touchdowns per carries ratio.
Ill give you that Hurd was perhaps better catching the ball out of the backfield, he had excellent hands and was used more in the passing game....it was the strongest part of Hurds running back skill set and in part explains why he transferred to Baylor to be a WR, not a running back.
Had Kelly gotten as many offensive touches as Hurd, hed have run for more yards and scored more touchdowns, despite the fact that Hurd shared the backfield with an elite running quarterback for the majority of the games he played in.....Kelly had no such luxury last year in his singular season as UTs featured back. Additionally, Kelly also had more splash plays than Hurd, actually had a 50+ yard run. And Id be willing to bet that he broke more tackles as a percentage of his carries than Hurd, despite being a much smaller guy.
For the best and most direct comparison as to their individual effectiveness, look at the 2016 season when both backs got to play with the same exact variables....same OL, same QB, same OC, same idiot head coach. At different times in the season, Hurd at the beginning, Kelly at the end of the season, they each got the majority of carries. (Spoiler alert....Hurd averaged 3.7 yards per carry, while Kelly averaged 6.4, or nearly 3 full yards more per carry).
Here are their career stats at Tennessee...
Hurd-
589 rushes, 2635 yards, 4.5 ypc, 20 rushing tds
656 total touches, 3127, 4.8 avg, 26 total tds
Kelly-
327 rushes, 1573 yards, 4.8 ypc, 15 rushing tds
370 total touches, 1923 yards, 5.2 avg, 15 total tds
Why are you cherry picking seasons, 2014 for Hurd vs 2017 for Kelly....when you can get a direct, accurate comparison by looking at the 2016 season when both guys played with the EXACT same variables in terms of OL, QB, OC, etc....? I mean, I know why, its actually a rhetorical question....
Compare 2016 to get an objective look at the two.
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