Practice #7 Updates 8.9.16

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tonybologna said:
Nope! I perfectly understand English quite well buddy. That means right now he's the favorite. That's exactly what it means or it wouldn't have been put that way by Hubbs.

Sure, it says "one" but it could also have said Martin in that place. It didn't though & it means Foreman as of right now would start opposite Sutton. I'm not stupid!

That's what that quote means but by the time the 1st game comes around Foreman might not be the leading candidate but I'm beginning to think it will stand.

Foreman is very capable & he's experienced. Martin seems to be the better overall player but Foreman must just be outperforming/outhustling him in practice right now.
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I'm not sure you do understand, to be honest. If he were the leading candidate it would have said "Foreman is the leading candidate". I'm baffled by your inability to comprehend this, guy.
 
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VonVol said:
I'm not sure you do understand, to be honest. If he were the leading candidate it would have said "Foreman is the leading candidate". I'm baffled by your inability to comprehend this, guy.
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It says "he's one of the leading candidates". Yes, that could mean at least one other player is in contention but they way it's being put RIGHT NOW dude it's Foreman being the favorite as 2nd CB.

Do you not get that dude? It's pretty easy to understand but you're questioning my understanding of it. :eek:hmy:
 
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tonybologna said:
It says "he's one of the leading candidates". Yes, that could mean at least one other player is in contention but they way it's being put RIGHT NOW dude it's Foreman being the favorite as 2nd CB.

Do you not get that dude? It's pretty easy to understand but you're questioning my understanding of it. :eek:hmy:
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No. There is no "could mean". It definitely means there is at least one other leading candidate. I can't believe I'm having this argument. This is basic reading comprehension.
 
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VonVol said:
No. There is no "could mean". It definitely means there is at least one other leading candidate. I can't believe I'm having this argument. This is basic reading comprehension.
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I'm done arguing over something so stupid ok. You win. I'm done talking about this ok. Let's just move on. We'll see who gets the nod at the other CB position come the Appy State game. Thanks!
 
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smokeytime said:
It was the year before last that Smith had the drops issue not last year. He was the most consistent and reliable last year. And he did have some issues with injury last year. He will most likely be the most reliable receiver again this season. The others seem to be ready to breakout, but he won't be the #4 receiver.
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Agree with you. It was 2013, Josh's freshman year when he had the drops issue. Only played 2-3 games as a Soph due to injury. Thought he played well last year, only had 23 catches because he was rarely targeted....mainly because our passing game blew. He certainly didn't have an issue dropping a lot of balls....IMO, no one did. I think Smith starts in the slot alongside PWill and Malone on the outside....those 3, along with Jennings and perhaps Byrd should get the lionshare of reps at WR once games commence IMHO.
 
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tonybologna said:
I realize that Martin has the higher ceiling. However, Foreman has the experience as a senior & coaches are saying he has the upper hand on the 2nd CB position.

Does that mean as of right now that Foreman will start? No it does not but he is the favorite opposite Sutton just like Hubbs reported.
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When will you realize nickel is different than outside corner?

Foreman could be having a better camp than Martin and Moseley. That doesn't mean he will be playing their position. Nickel is essentially another position in our starting lineup.

This is the equivalent of thinking that Josh Smith will be starting at the #2 outside receiver position over Malone just because he's having a better camp. Smith is the slot receiver and that's his position. Its completely different than the outside and it's a starting position of it's own.
 
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tonybologna said:
Nope! I perfectly understand English quite well buddy. That means right now he's the favorite. That's exactly what it means or it wouldn't have been put that way by Hubbs.

Sure, it says "one" but it could also have said Martin in that place. It didn't though & it means Foreman as of right now would start opposite Sutton. I'm not stupid!

That's what that quote means but by the time the 1st game comes around Foreman might not be the leading candidate but I'm beginning to think it will stand.

Foreman is very capable & he's experienced. Martin seems to be the better overall player but Foreman must just be outperforming/outhustling him in practice right now.
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No one has said Foreman is moving to the outside corner position. No coach. Nobody in the media. Everything we've heard about him is that he is slotted to start at NICKEL.

I think you fail to realize that is a unique starting position of it's own.

You are misinterpreting the reporter saying he's been the second best corner at camp with the faulty assumption he's taken Martin or Moseley's spot. If Foreman was moving to the outside corner, we would have another hole in our defense. We would have to find a NICKEL corner. Something Martin and Moseley have never played.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No one has said Foreman is moving to the outside corner position. No coach. Nobody in the media. Everything we've heard about him is that he is slotted to start at NICKEL.

I think you fail to realize that is a unique starting position of it's own.

You are misinterpreting the reporter saying he's been the second best corner at camp with the faulty assumption he's taken Martin or Moseley's spot. If Foreman was moving to the outside corner, we would have another hole in our defense. We would have to find a NICKEL corner. Something Martin and Moseley have never played.
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Nobody said anything about Foreman being the 2nd best corner in camp. At least not that I saw in the op. The reporter said "Foreman continues to be one of the leading candidates to start opposite Sutton". Which, in fairness to Tonyb, does sound like the reporter meant at the second corner, not the nickel. What he's arguing is that "One of the leading candidates" somehow equates to "Foreman is the starter".
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No one has said Foreman is moving to the outside corner position. No coach. Nobody in the media. Everything we've heard about him is that he is slotted to start at NICKEL.

I think you fail to realize that is a unique starting position of it's own.

You are misinterpreting the reporter saying he's been the second best corner at camp with the faulty assumption he's taken Martin or Moseley's spot. If Foreman was moving to the outside corner, we would have another hole in our defense. We would have to find a NICKEL corner. Something Martin and Moseley have never played.
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D4H, Hubbs is the very one that stated from practice that Foreman is the leading candidate to take over the #2 CB position starting opposite of Sutton. That's not starting at NB.

I know what the NB position is & Foreman has played that position in the past. That's not what Hubbs is saying from these quotes. He's saying yes the #2 CB position but not at NB. Actually starting opposite Sutton is not playing NB. I know that much for sure. Believe whatever you want.

I know what I've read & it's not the NB position that's in consideration for Foreman. It's starting at the corner opposite Sutton & not starting at NB. I don't understand how you'll can't see/get that from these quotes.

Nothing is even mentioned about Foreman in these quotes about the NB position. Too many members here want Foreman playing NB. That's the problem. They don't think he's good enough to start at true CB but I think he's plenty good enough.
 
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VonVol said:
Nobody said anything about Foreman being the 2nd best corner in camp. At least not that I saw in the op. The reporter said "Foreman continues to be one of the leading candidates to start opposite Sutton". Which, in fairness to Tonyb, does sound like the reporter meant at the second corner, not the nickel. What he's arguing is that "One of the leading candidates" somehow equates to "Foreman is the starter".
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I know what the reporter said. I'm saying he MISSPOKE. Moving Foreman outside opposite Sutton makes no sense. We've already been made aware of every position change so far. Austin Smith to DE. Gaulden to safety. Josh Smith to slot. Etc.

There has been no story that Foreman is moving to outside corner.

This is a case of a reporter mistating something and fans running with it.
 
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tonybologna said:
D4H, Hubbs is the very one that stated from practice that Foreman is the leading candidate to take over the #2 CB position starting opposite of Sutton. That's not starting at NB.

I know what the NB position is & Foreman has played that position in the past. That's not what Hubbs is saying from these quotes. He's saying yes the #2 CB position but not at NB. Actually starting opposite Sutton is not playing NB. I know that much for sure. Believe whatever you want.

I know what I've read & it's not the NB position that's in consideration for Foreman. It's starting at the corner opposite Sutton & not starting at NB. I don't understand how you'll can't see/get that from these quotes.

Nothing is even mentioned about Foreman in these quotes about the NB position. Too many members here want Foreman playing NB. That's the problem. They don't think he's good enough to start at true CB but I think he's plenty good enough.
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Ok. I'm done with this stupid topic. We're arguing about an innocous quote with zero corroboration behind it.

All I'll say is Foreman is good enough to play corner. We just need him more at nickel. I have yet to hear Martin or Moseley working at nickel. If Foreman moves there we would be creating an unneccesary hole for ourselves. Because imo Sutton, Martin, Moseley, and Foreman are out best pure corners. We need at least 3 of them on the field in our nickel lineup.

I don't see any logic in moving Foreman outside and then starting a true freshmen like Osborne at the nickel position. It simply makes no sense to me. Which is why I'm saying Hubbs misspoke and meant Foreman was simply the most impressive guy out there beside Sutton.
 
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swchandler1988 said:
Solely based on the fact that Josh Smith made that amazing grab that our QB threw behind his back (not naming any names), it's easy to see why Josh Smith may be seen in a better light than Josh Malone. Malone had about 100 more yards receiving than Smith, but at the same time Malone had more opportunity for more yards than Smith (since Smith plays slot). If it's 3rd down, I feel better with Smith. Plus his gf is smokin, so he gets the nod ;)
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FTR, Smith didn't play slot last year. Pearson did. And since Butch has been here, the leader in receptions every year ha been the slot.


So he'll probably see a big increase in targets this year.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I know what the reporter said. I'm saying he MISSPOKE. Moving Foreman outside opposite Sutton makes no sense. We've already been made aware of every position change so far. Austin Smith to DE. Gaulden to safety. Josh Smith to slot. Etc.

There has been no story that Foreman is moving to outside corner.

This is a case of a reporter mistating something and fans running with it.
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You said Tonyb misinterpreted what the reporter said. It's right there in writing. You never said the reporter misspoke. I agree it doesn't make sense. But don't change what you said just because you misunderstood the argument. You're out of your element, Donnie.

For the record, I'll probably wait and see what else is said about it before I trust your expert opinion. Not the best track record on this board.
 
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KBVol said:
We'll just disagree then. Who we're playing very much factors into the "situation" IMO. There's a reason why Aaron hit only 50% of his kicks vs our 5 toughest opponents last year (Okla, Florida, Arky, UGA and Bama) while hitting 79% vs all the others.
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I would be interested to see the stats broken down by month. my money is on him getting better as the season progressed. and in those games you mentioned were the vast majority of his 50 yard attempts.

and again all of those games you mentioned were close. I am willing to bet the closeness of the game mattered more than the color of the other teams jersey. its not like they were blocking his kicks, or one of the teams had hurt him years past and his was worried it was going to happen again.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Ok. I'm done with this stupid topic. We're arguing about an innocous quote with zero corroboration behind it.

All I'll say is Foreman is good enough to play corner. We just need him more at nickel. I have yet to hear Martin or Moseley working at nickel. If Foreman moves there we would be creating an unneccesary hole for ourselves. Because imo Sutton, Martin, Moseley, and Foreman are out best pure corners. We need at least 3 of them on the field in our nickel lineup.

I don't see any logic in moving Foreman outside and then starting a true freshmen like Osborne at the nickel position. It simply makes no sense to me. Which is why I'm saying Hubbs misspoke and meant Foreman was simply the most impressive guy out there beside Sutton.
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Why can't Osborne or Moseley play NB? Moseley got burnt so many times as our starting 2nd CB last season that he still has burn marks all over him. :) I think he would fit better at NB anyhow instead of Foreman. Him or Osborne for this one more season before Foreman leaves as a senior.

I'm not saying Foreman deserves to start at CB because he's a senior either. Did you see the speed chart board that was posted? Foreman was either the 2nd or 3rd fastest player on the team. Moseley wasn't even close.

Martin was in the top 6 or 7 speed-wise but we can't afford to get beat deep like we did last year. Most of the time that was with Moseley playing CB. Not with Foreman when he took his place.

He's played well ever since the middle of last season. He took the place of Moseley at CB during several games last season. He came in at CB, yes straight CB & played for Moseley.

He wasn't playing NB then was he? Nope! He did play NB off & on throughout the season though. I don't see what's the big beef with Foreman starting as our 2nd CB. It doesn't create a problem at NB like you say it does. We have two guys that can play that position just fine. Thanks!
 
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vol2002 said:
I think we have a team of guys like Tee Higgins. I like Higgins as a prospect and would love to have him, but let's not pretend CBJ hasn't already signed several guys that are like him or better than him.
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He has off of good faith. In order to keep getting those guys he is going to have to prove he can do something with them, which he has not.
 
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