"playoff"

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The only way I can see a playoff working is if you break all teams down into like 8 power conferences (thats If you want to give everyone a fair shake) and then do an 8 team conference champion playoff at the end. You really cant use a BCS top 8 cause a team like Michigan St would say they belong at #9. Etc etc
 
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Mr. U said:
The only way I can see a playoff working is if you break all teams down into like 8 power conferences (thats If you want to give everyone a fair shake) and then do an 8 team conference champion playoff at the end. You really cant use a BCS top 8 cause a team like Michigan St would say they belong at #9. Etc etc
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We should take Michigan State's feelings into account?

If/when a playoff happens, there's going to be a cutoff point, and some team will complain about being left out.
 
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Who cares i mean the current system totally works. We get to watch our rivals win the national championship every year. right "SEC" fans?
 
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A playoff needs to happen. Even if they do go to a playoff you're still gonna see teams complain
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
We should take Michigan State's feelings into account?

If/when a playoff happens, there's going to be a cutoff point, and some team will complain about being left out.
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Michigan St was just the school that had an argument this year. What happens if Florida was ranked #9 after a loss in the SEC championship game but say Tennessee (a team they beat earlier in the season) was ranked 8th and they get to play in the playoffs?
 
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Mr. U said:
Michigan St was just the school that had an argument this year. What happens if Florida was ranked #9 after a loss in the SEC championship game but say Tennessee (a team they beat earlier in the season) was ranked 8th and they get to play in the playoffs?
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Then Florida gets left out, Florida fans complain, and the playoffs go on without Florida.
 
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What happens if florida is ranked 3rd in that scenario and tennessee is 2? Is that more fair or less fair?
 
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iambruce said:
What happens if florida is ranked 3rd in that scenario and tennessee is 2? Is that more fair or less fair?
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Then Florida gets left out, Florida fans complain, and the playoffs go on without Florida.

You can argue either scenario isn't exactly fair, given either example.

The guy asked what happens given UF being ranked #9 in an 8-team playoff, and I told him in three easy steps exactly what would happen.

Whether you have a 2-team or 32-team playoff, someone will get left out. Attaching emotion based on your team being the one left out doesn't change the big picture.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Neither scenario is fair, given either example.

The guy asked what happens given UF being ranked #9 in an 8-team playoff, and I told him in three easy steps exactly what would happen.

Whether you have a 2-team or 32-team playoff, someone will get left out. Attaching emotion based on your team being the one left out doesn't change the big picture.
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The big picture is we should use conferences that have conference championship games and use the champions as the participants in a playoff. If you cant/done win your conference then you surly dont deserve the chance to win a National Championship.
 
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Mr. U said:
The big picture is we should use conferences that have conference championship games and use the champions as the participants in a playoff. If you cant/done win your conference then you surly dont deserve the chance to win a National Championship.
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So had South Carolina beaten Auburn, Auburn wouldn't make the 8-team playoff, in spite of being ranked #1 for a good part of the season. That's not exactly fair, but given your scenario that's exactly what would happen.

All conferences are not created equal.

If an 8-team playoff is proposed, BCS rankings should be used...right or wrong.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
So had South Carolina beaten Auburn, Auburn wouldn't make the 8-team playoff, in spite of being ranked #1 for a good part of the season. That's not exactly fair, but given your scenario that's exactly what would happen.

All conferences are not created equal.

If an 8-team playoff is proposed, BCS rankings should be used...right or wrong.
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So a team that cant win their conference should still be able to play for a National Title? I think that's happened twice before and Im pretty sure we know how those games turned out.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Then Florida gets left out, Florida fans complain, and the playoffs go on without Florida.

You can argue either scenario isn't exactly fair, given either example.

The guy asked what happens given UF being ranked #9 in an 8-team playoff, and I told him in three easy steps exactly what would happen.

Whether you have a 2-team or 32-team playoff, someone will get left out. Attaching emotion based on your team being the one left out doesn't change the big picture.
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I was actually responding to him. But the correct answer is that the latter scenario is less fair.
 
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Mr. U said:
So a team that cant win their conference should still be able to play for a National Title? I think that's happened twice before and Im pretty sure we know how those games turned out.
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You brought up the 8-team scenario, not me. Bringing up the last time a non-conference champ made the BCS title game has nothing to do with the example you originally used, seeing as how the BCS is a 2-team playoff.

Given YOUR scenario, using this season as an example, I'd prefer to see LSU or Stanford make the 8-team playoff field as opposed to unranked Big East champion UConn.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
You brought up the 8-team scenario, not me. Bringing up the last time a non-conference champ made the BCS title game has nothing to do with the example you originally used, seeing as how the BCS is a 2-team playoff.

Given YOUR scenario, using this season as an example, I'd prefer to see LSU or Stanford make the 8-team playoff field as opposed to unranked Big East champion UConn.
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You cant use this season as an example though because if you go into a more 8 super conferences type scheduling you're probably not going to get the same outcomes as you did this year. In YOUR scenario where you use the BCS top 8 teams you can use any team that gets VOTED in by the Media, coaches and "computers" by using "my" scenario, you're only getting conference champions.

The whole point of a playoff system is to "earn" the National Championship. Win your Conference Division, then your conference championship, then make your way through the playoffs and win the National Title.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Just do a plus 1 or 4 team playoff and be done with it.
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I hate having to get 2 discussions going at once, but how would you set this up in todays current conditions. Obviously Auburn and Oregon would be 1-2 but before the bowl game who deserves the other 2 spots? Wisconsin? TCU? Stanford? Oklahoma?

Lets say Auburn beats Oregon, Stanford had defeated Va Tech and TCU beat Wisconsin, Auburn moves on since it was the Nat'l title game, but who fills the other team in the plus 1 game? Undefeated TCU or a Stanford team that got beat by an Oregon team that has already lost in the "first round"?

I would honestly love to get a more clear cut champion but really if you go BCS, someone will get left out and if you go a +1 (or more) someone is going to get left out. The only clear way to have a champion crowned by on the field play only is to use conference champions as playoff participants.
 
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Mr. U said:
You cant use this season as an example though because if you go into a more 8 super conferences type scheduling you're probably not going to get the same outcomes as you did this year. In YOUR scenario where you use the BCS top 8 teams you can use any team that gets VOTED in by the Media, coaches and "computers" by using "my" scenario, you're only getting conference champions.

The whole point of a playoff system is to "earn" the National Championship. Win your Conference Division, then your conference championship, then make your way through the playoffs and win the National Title.
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I don't know that there are enough quality FBS teams to warrant eight "super" conferences. We have 6 BCS conferences now, and the Big East and ACC continually send garbage to BCS bowl games...you think 2 more would change anything?

What, in your opinion has the ACC or Big East done to "earn" its guaranteed BCS bowl slot?

I'll take a human/media/computer voted, and likely higher-ranked team over a champion from a weak conference who continually gets exposed in BCS bowls.

So in my scenario, that you're so quick to dismiss because you clearly can't dispute it, do you think UConn deserves a spot in an 8-team playoff over Stanford or LSU?
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I don't know that there are enough quality FBS teams to warrant eight "super" conferences. We have 6 BCS conferences now, and the Big East and ACC continually send garbage to BCS bowl games...you think 2 more would change anything?

What, in your opinion has the ACC or Big East done to "earn" its guaranteed BCS bowl slot?

I'll take a human/media/computer voted, and likely higher-ranked team over a champion from a weak conference who continually gets exposed in BCS bowls.

So in my scenario, that you're so quick to dismiss because you clearly can't dispute it, do you think UConn deserves a spot in an 8-team playoff over Stanford or LSU?
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I dont have to dismiss your dispute your scenario, it disputes itself. True or False, the Idea of a playoff is for a team to EARN their championship on the field? So we have a clear cut winner? The argument/dispute over a playoff has always been "someone is going to be left out" the same situation we're in right now with the standard BCS. IF you are going to change it, the only effective way to change it is to use conference champions. If not all you're doing is drawing out the same long process that we currently have just giving the shaft to a lower ranked team instead.
 
#23
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And you're correct, there probably isnt enough to do 8 super conferences, but do 6 and 2 at large bids then from anywhere in the country. A TCU and Boise St if they're 12-0
 
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It's much less likely that the #9 team would be title worthy. While they would complain about being left out it's a much better option than leaving the 3rd or 4th ranked teams out.
 
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Mr. U said:
And you're correct, there probably isnt enough to do 8 super conferences, but do 6 and 2 at large bids then from anywhere in the country. A TCU and Boise St if they're 12-0
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Introducing at-large bids into the scenario based on their BCS ranking would be in improvement over the watered down, 8 super conference scenario you introduced earlier.

And you have yet to answer the question about what exactly the Big East and ACC have done to warrant an automatic BCS bid...let alone an 8-team playoff bid where there are better teams out there who have the misfortune of not playing in a garbage conference like the Big East or the A She She.
 
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