Player's reaction could have been avoided by Hamilton (supposedly)

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BJSforVols

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I just heard a replayed interview with Jimmy Hyams (I think.) as a guest on a Nashville radio show. The sports zone in Nashville has Jimmy on every Friday to get Vols updates. The afternoon show just played a piece from this morning, and it stated something interesting.

Basically, it said that Fulmer annouced to the team at 4:00 PM. Hamilton told Fulmer he wanted to address the team (prior to the PC) as well. Fulmer advised that he didn't think that was a good idea, but Hamilton did it anyway. This meeting is what supposedly triggered the anger between the players and Hamilton, and thus the players decided to continue on to the PC taking the press's seats. Jimmy said, "the players stated they had more rights to those seats anyway since they were family."

It doesn't justify the player's actions, but Hamilton could have avoided the player's reaction after the PC if he had taken the advice of Fulmer and not insisted on addressing the team prior to the PC.
 
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The players should have never been allowed in the press conference. I admire the loyalty but that scene should have never been set.
 
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volmanbill said:
The players should have never been allowed in the press conference. I admire the loyalty but that scene should have never been set.
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Agreed.

The players would not have tried to come to it though if Hamilton had not addressed the team prior to the PC according to this piece on the radio. That's poor management in my opinion.
 
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You missed my point. Whether or not MH spoke with them is irrelevant. They should have been denied admission to the press conference. They are not members of the press. Rarely do players attend this type of announcement.
 
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I give Hammy a pass on this. How often to you fire a 16-year veteran coach that is beloved by his players. There was no precedent for this on the hill. You learn from mistakes. 16 years from now if Gruden needs to be relieved of his duties I'm sure they'll look back on this and do it differently.
 
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Actually, it's poor management, not suprisingly, by Fulmer, not Hamilton!!! It is not MH's responsibility to notify the team, only a courtesy. It falls on PF, who should've addressed the team on Sunday or early Monday and the whole situation would've been different. Besides, all of PF's "friends"/media are going to blame every bit of it on MH because PF never did anything wrong. Once again, it all goes back to PF thinking he's bigger than the program, no discipline, and acting like a brat!
 
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volmanbill said:
You missed my point. Whether or not MH spoke with them is irrelevant. They should have been denied admission to the press conference. They are not members of the press. Rarely do players attend this type of announcement.
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No, I got your point and do agree with that. I would think Hamilton could have prevented this as well considering his position with the university.

But, if he did not have that power, then he should have avoided the meeting prior to the PC in order to avoid provoking the players.
 
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beachvol23 said:
Actually, it's poor management, not suprisingly, by Fulmer, not Hamilton!!! It is not MH's responsibility to notify the team, only a courtesy. It falls on PF, who should've addressed the team on Sunday or early Monday and the whole situation would've been different. Besides, all of PF's "friends"/media are going to blame every bit of it on MH because PF never did anything wrong. Once again, it all goes back to PF thinking he's bigger than the program, no discipline, and acting like a brat!
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Fulmer had a meeting with the team prior to Hamilton. After Fulmer's meeting with the team is when Fulmer advised Hamilton to NOT meet with them. No way you can point that one on Fulmer from the way Jimmy reported it on the radio in Nashville. Hamilton's ego got in the way of making a good decision. It sounds as if he thought he coul;d convince the team to be on his side even though their coach who is closer to them knew it wasn't a good idea to try.
 
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BJSforVols said:
Fulmer had a meeting with the team prior to Hamilton. After Fulmer's meeting with the team is when Fulmer advised Hamilton to NOT meet with them. No way you can point that one on Fulmer from the way Jimmy reported it on the radio in Nashville. Hamilton's ego got in the way of making a good decision. It sounds as if he thought he coul;d convince the team to be on his side even though their coach who is closer to them knew it wasn't a good idea to try.
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The players would have went to the conference regardless of whether MH addressed them or not. The coaches should have kept the team in check imo.
 
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beachvol23 said:
Actually, it's poor management, not suprisingly, by Fulmer, not Hamilton!!! It is not MH's responsibility to notify the team, only a courtesy. It falls on PF, who should've addressed the team on Sunday or early Monday and the whole situation would've been different. Besides, all of PF's "friends"/media are going to blame every bit of it on MH because PF never did anything wrong. Once again, it all goes back to PF thinking he's bigger than the program, no discipline, and acting like a brat!
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Wrong. Did you watch CPF's PC? Give me a break. He didn't even know himself until Monday so there was no other chance for him to tell the team.

Get your facts straight.
 
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EBerryIsYourDad said:
The players would have went to the conference regardless of whether MH addressed them or not. The coaches should have kept the team in check imo.
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The way Jimmy reported on the radio, that's not correct. Maybe he's making things sound different than they were, but he makes it sound as if the Hamilton meeting is what triggered the players into attending the PC.

(I do hear Jimmy as often as Nashville radio hosts, so I don't know if that would be typical or not.)
 
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EBerryIsYourDad said:
The players would have went to the conference regardless of whether MH addressed them or not. The coaches should have kept the team in check imo.
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CPF and MH should have prohibited them from being at the PC. It's really pretty simple.
 
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volmanbill said:
Wrong. Did you watch CPF's PC? Give me a break. He didn't even know himself until Monday so there was no other chance for him to tell the team.

Get your facts straight.
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Read my post. The meeting was Monday at 4:00 PM. The PC was Monday at 5:00 PC.

Also, I did not say this is facts from me. I said this is what I heard on a Nashville radio show in a report from Jimmy Hyams.

Do your research my friend.
 
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Does not compute...

So the reason the players were mad is because Hamilton talked to them before the press conference? Isnt that what he should do? Sounds counter-intuitive to me.
 
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volmanbill said:
Wrong. Did you watch CPF's PC? Give me a break. He didn't even know himself until Monday so there was no other chance for him to tell the team.

Get your facts straight.
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He knew Sunday. The press conference was leaked on Sunday. Low reported it, and it was discussed on this very forum on Sunday.
 
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DaytonLawVol said:
Does not compute...

So the reason the players were mad is because Hamilton talked to them before the press conference? Isnt that what he should do? Sounds counter-intuitive to me.
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No, he shouldn't if he's been advised that it porbably is not a good idea.

If one of my managers advises me in a similar way when making a company annoucement such as this, I would listen.
 
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I actually think what the players did was perfectly okay. Screw those nerd ass KNS writers who didn't get their way.
 
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BJSforVols said:
Agreed.

The players would not have tried to come to it though if Hamilton had not addressed the team prior to the PC according to this piece on the radio. That's poor management in my opinion.
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Hamilton is the head of the Athletic Department. He doesn't need anyone's permission to address the football team. He can do as he pleases, and the players would be real damn smart to realize that anytime Mike Hamilton decides that he's had his fill of the players' attitudes, he can revoke their scholarships as he sees fit.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
He knew Sunday. The press conference was leaked on Sunday. Low reported it, and it was discussed on this very forum on Sunday.
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Really? Link to anything that says CPF knew Sunday?

I'm on this board constantly and haven't seen anything that says CPF knew Sunday. Of course, I've been wrong before and am sure I will be again. I may have missed it.

Either way, my point is the same. The players should have been expected to react the way they did. They should have never been allowed in the PC.
 
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Vol423 said:
Hamilton is the head of the Athletic Department. He doesn't need anyone's permission to address the football team. He can do as he pleases, and the players would be real damn smart to realize that anytime Mike Hamilton decides that he's had his fill of the players' attitudes, he can revoke their scholarships as he sees fit.
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I have mixed feelings on it. The whole thing could have been done better.

Hamilton probably should have honored Fulmer's recommendation that Hamilton not address the team at 4pm. Fulmer should have told the team to stay away from the PC.

Briscoe showed his butt. Plain and simple. Yeah, he's just a kid, but when you act up in public, you get spanked. Very simple life lesson.

It's over. Let it go.

Go Vols.
 
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Vol423 said:
Hamilton is the head of the Athletic Department. He doesn't need anyone's permission to address the football team. He can do as he pleases, and the players would be real damn smart to realize that anytime Mike Hamilton decides that he's had his fill of the players' attitudes, he can revoke their scholarships as he sees fit.
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Hammy's Porn name: "Emerson Bigguns"
 
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It is my understanding that although Coach Fulmer knew on Sunday, he was "advised" to wait until Monday at 4:00 to tell the players. Unfortunately, the decision was leaked to ESPN where most of the players heard the news. I think the fact that they had to hear it on ESPN first was one of the reasons why they were so upset. JMO.
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