PGs in the SEC

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djeremyd

djeremyd

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So after the performances of the last few games, it got me thinking...is our combo of Ramar & Jordan the worst PG in the SEC? Going through the teams, there are some good ones. My rankings are below, first based on how the PG runs the team (passes, tempo, ball handling), then based on scoring, because a PG's first job is to make the team around him better (see Steve Nash).

1. Nick Calathes (FL) - Best passer in the league, looks to pass first, can shoot and drive
2. Jamont Gordon (MSU) - Future NBA prospect, we almost had him
3. Devan Downey (SC) - SO fast, good shooter
4. Ramel Bradley (KY) - a good all around threat, good shooter
5. Sundiata Gaines (GA) - Strong, good shooter
6. Ronald Steele (Bama) - I know he's injured, but he's very good
7. Gary Ervin/Patrick Beverly (Ark) - both good shooters
8. Chris Warren (Miss) - Dynamic freshman, good shooter
9. Alex Gordon (VU) - good shooter
10. Garrett Temple (LSU) - not as good as he used to be, but good defender and tall
11. ?? (Aub)


Which one(s) is worse than our combo? How does our team not have a guy who can at least shoot a 3 occasionally and contribute something more than 6-8 points every night? I say they're better than Auburn and G. Temple, but that's it.

Yes, I'm still mad about last night. This was supposed to be our year. I'm not saying it's all the PG's fault, because we should have played much better on D, especially transition D, but Ramar and Jordan didn't help much at all last night.

I hope Daniel West is a player like his coach and friends say he is. We need him bad.
 
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I definitely think that this is our teams weakness but I don't know if they are the worst in the league. I think if we had any of the top six point guards in the league, we would be much better. The problem with our guys is consistency. Ramar had flashes of greatness earlier in the year and I remember Howell knocking down some shots last year and earlier in the year. One thing is for sure, when Ramar drives to the basket, he can make some of the most routine layups look like circus shots that never get close to going in. I would like to see a stat on the number of shots that he's missed while driving to the basket. The problem is that when he does draw contact and shoots freethrows, he becomes a liability due to his poor freethrow shooting. Howell needs to pass only and never shoot again. Everytime he shoots, it's a turnover for us so the argument about him not turning the ball over becomes invalid. I think that Ramar has potential to be good if he will work hard and listen to Pearl.
 
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The problem with Calathes being #1 is that he isn't their PG. Jai Lucas is. Calathes would be a great PG but he doesn't play it... He sorta runs the team ala Dane Bradshaw and Tyler Smith IMO... Downey is the Number one PG in the SEC, IMO.. Then Jamont Gordon..

But a case could be made for either, depending on what you want from a PG.. I want a slashing, getting in the lanes and making unbelievable passes and good shooter. Both fit the criteria but Downey could average 10 assts per game with not a very good team.
 
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Hotrodpinto said:
I definitely think that this is our teams weakness but I don't know if they are the worst in the league. I think if we had any of the top six point guards in the league, we would be much better. The problem with our guys is consistency. Ramar had flashes of greatness earlier in the year and I remember Howell knocking down some shots last year and earlier in the year. One thing is for sure, when Ramar drives to the basket, he can make some of the most routine layups look like circus shots that never get close to going in. I would like to see a stat on the number of shots that he's missed while driving to the basket. The problem is that when he does draw contact and shoots freethrows, he becomes a liability due to his poor freethrow shooting. Howell needs to pass only and never shoot again. Everytime he shoots, it's a turnover for us so the argument about him not turning the ball over becomes invalid. I think that Ramar has potential to be good if he will work hard and listen to Pearl.
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He's 17/26 for FTs (65%) over the last month...that's not horrible, but not good either.
 
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dickens821 said:
If Ramar keeps playing like this there will be a competition for the starting position.
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Absolutely. The way ramar drives to the lane and puts up wild out of control shots,or gets it blocked. Reminds me alot of tony harris,only ramar can't shoot.
 
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Cartervol said:
Absolutely. The way ramar drives to the lane and puts up wild out of control shots,or gets it blocked. Reminds me alot of tony harris,only ramar can't shoot.
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The reason his shots are so 'out of control' is that he is ALWAYS looking to draw the contact. He'd finish a lot better if he just finished instead of trying to get the foul.
 
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Maybe pass it out to someone every now and then. He is so out of control half the time they call the foul on him.
It flustrating. We got to get better point guard play or our tourney run will end prematurely.
 
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TennTradition said:
He's 17/26 for FTs (65%) over the last month...that's not horrible, but not good either.
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I didn't realize that he had shot that good lately. His yearly average has to be low though. If he could shoot 70% from the FT line then I wouldn't have a problem with him driving so much.
 
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Hotrodpinto said:
I didn't realize that he had shot that good lately. His yearly average has to be low though. If he could shoot 70% from the FT line then I wouldn't have a problem with him driving so much.
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Jordan Howell is 1-3 since the first Florida game in Knoxville. :ermm:

Would almost rather have Ramar going to the line. And that is saying a lot.
 
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