He was praised early.... not toward the end.
Jones to this point is far more hype than performance. Not surprising if someone actually said what the OP suggests.... and they aren't wrong.
Asked a buddy who is the SID at another SEC school if Butch is respected around the league. His replied, "No. Hype man."
I hope I am wrong, but I fear we have peaked with him.
I agree. We could still be successful if Butch would hire top notch assistants/coordinators and give them control of the X and O stuff. He would then be a CEO type coach that's good at recruiting, PR, and cliches.
Although past performance is no guarantee of future performance it can shed light on what to expect going forward.
Positives:
1. Butch has improved the win total each year at TN and can still do that this year by winning out the regular season and winning the bowl game. Best case scenario for Butch and TN is for the VOLS to win 5 in a row.
2. If the foregoing is accomplished TN should finish strong in recruiting with a Top 10 class for 2017.
3. The negativity surrounding Butch and his gameday coaching inadequacies declines with each win.
Negatives:
1. Butch is getting called out in the media and being questioned more so now than ever. For example, "Jones is our Hoke", "Jones program at crossroads with 25 players gone" Jones attempts to soothe VOLS fans has opposite effect" etc. Why is this a negative because they are negative headlines and recruits are aware TN is making the news-negatively
2. His overall record is slightly above avg at 26-20, SEC:12-17, Power 5 Conf schools with .500 or better his record is 8-18
3. The recent USCjr loss was very bad because of what was potentially at stake
If Jones can guide the VOLS to five straight wins including the bowl win he most definitely gets another year probably at least two. I realize the four remaining games are not the best but UK is playing well and that is no gimme. If Jones wins out there will be no more talk about replacing him for firing him etc in my opinion.
GO VOLS!!!
Agree he has some image problems especially now. He sure looked good after beating Florida and Georgia.
Funny thing is that I still remember the"stick with Dooley" posters on VN all the way almost to the bitter end. Up until he lost to Kentucky anyway. There will always be someone defending the coach no matter how bad it gets.
That said, I am willing to see how the r3st of the season pans out. My fear is that CBJ takes the brakes off and the team plays gangbusters to the end of the year, all is forgiven, we have a petty good signing day, CBJ gets to feeling safe again and we start off 2017 with high hopes again just to see them dashe'd.
Repeat ad nauseum
I agree. We could still be successful if Butch would hire top notch assistants/coordinators and give them control of the X and O stuff. He would then be a CEO type coach that's good at recruiting, PR, and cliches.
Funny thing is that I still remember the"stick with Dooley" posters on VN all the way almost to the bitter end. Up until he lost to Kentucky anyway. There will always be someone defending the coach no matter how bad it gets.
That said, I am willing to see how the r3st of the season pans out. My fear is that CBJ takes the brakes off and the team plays gangbusters to the end of the year, all is forgiven, we have a petty good signing day, CBJ gets to feeling safe again and we start off 2017 with high hopes again just to see them dashe'd.
Repeat ad nauseum
CBJ isn't going anywhere, barring them not losing every game left and the players launching a full revolt. Anything short of that, which isn't going to happen, is not worth discussing.
Lyle reminds me a little of Houston Nutt. Loves the school, good recruiter, can pump up the fanbase, but a slave to cliches and not a very good game day coach.
great salesmen. but not enough product to back it up. at some point, they stop buying.
if you want to take a business like approach....most companies do not let the sales people run the company. you have to have the sales people, they provide the means for the company to continue to run.
but you have to have an operations team to give them something to sell.
so let Butch sell, and bring in the best operators to keep pushing product out....
very simplistic way of looking at it. but that's where we are imo. the managing of personalities, game management, over all football philosophy etc....turn that over to the ops managers. leaders that fail to realize their shortcomings, and do something about it, don't remain leaders very long.
i had a boss like that, he knew exactly where his shortcomings were, and he made it a point to surround himself with people that shared different perspectives and views, so that he reduced the chances of making narrow minded decisions. not always successful mind you, but at least he knew himself well enough to know that if he didn't, his company wouldn't last very long.
What the he!! would a SID know about actual coaching. The jury is still out on Butch IMO, but your buddies opinion means nothing.
CBJ is our coach for this season, nexxt season, and a good possibility for 2018.
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Where ya been, Slacker?
I posted some props to you in the Dobbs interceptions thread.
A little disappointed with Jones and the team so I tried to wait until it wouldn't just be an emotional reaction.
But personally, my mom who lived with us declined and then died from lung cancer last month. We had to do some traveling back to NC for her memorial.
Work has been a bear too. We're dealing with some changes in response to market conditions that are very difficult.
Probably more than you wanted.... but that's me, right?
If you're a believer, please keep me in your prayers.
I argued that Dooley should have no criticism until he'd gotten his 3 years. I was wrong. There is nothing wrong with honest, objective criticism. It isn't like people who aren't fans don't notice if you don't do it. And if they notice.... recruits will see it too.Funny thing is that I still remember the"stick with Dooley" posters on VN all the way almost to the bitter end. Up until he lost to Kentucky anyway. There will always be someone defending the coach no matter how bad it gets.
That said, I am willing to see how the r3st of the season pans out. My fear is that CBJ takes the brakes off and the team plays gangbusters to the end of the year, all is forgiven, we have a petty good signing day, CBJ gets to feeling safe again and we start off 2017 with high hopes again just to see them dashe'd.
Repeat ad nauseum