Per Hubbs, "lack of depth biggest concern for this team"

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MustafaRasta said:
It's acceptable without being agreeable. My woman's ass got fat over the past 6 years, still love her even though I don't really agree with her butt's growth.

On a serious note, it's a misconception that Tennessee under performs according to their budget. Well they do I guess but not comparatively to other programs.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...8/ncaa-football-teams-costs-spending-expenses

Nobody is suggesting let's all be happy with a 6-6 record and we should have given Dooley another 2 years to turn it around. But to act like 8-4 is not the program average and every time Butch wins 9 games he is taking a Cleveland steamer on the great barreled chest of General Neyland is comical.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

A glance at that will quickly show that while Tennessee is a top 15 spender, they are 6th in spending in the SEC and getting out spent by Kentucky. This latest study is from the 2014-15 season, so numbers may have changed. My guess is though that both the Vol numbers and the Kentucky numbers rose because of both programs efforts to spruce up facilities.
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My wife (or her butt) doesn't get on VN either..............anybody else???
 
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BeardedVol said:
Playing against Steve Spurrier in his prime definitely made it hard on Fulmer to clench the SECe, but let's look at his actual numbers:

Seasons with <=8 overall wins: 5, 31%
Seasons with >= 10 overall wins: 9, 56%
Seasons <=.500 SEC Record: 2, 12%
Seasons >.500 SEC Record:14, 88%​

No one was talking about firing Fulmer during the 90's when he was going 7-1 in the SEC, and losing the division to Spurrier because Spurrier was an excellent coach, and his teams were loaded with talent, and not a bunch of 2-3*s coached by Will Muschamp or Derek Mason.

Trying to downplay Fulmer's success to support the notion that CBJ is a better coach than his record shows, is an epic attempt at revisionist history.
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I don't know what you're missing. I'm not downplaying Fulmer, I already pointed out in my post he was by far our best modern day coach. I guess you don't comprehend if he had 41% seasons of 4 or more that would mean that 59% were 3 or less.

Also , saying he just loss to Spurrier is generous. Most of those games were embarrassingly out of hand. Kind of like Butch's losses to Alabama. You extending him the same courtesy? I guess those Spurrier teams that won 11 games were just total bums because Butch happened to beat them? Fulmer didn't drop games to chump teams? He didn't have seasons where he lost to every good team and won against the bad teams? These are your for real serious arguments?

Wow.
 
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volinbama256 said:
I still say get rid of the whole black stripe thing... If you have to motivate already high-end athletes who signed a scholarship to play in Neyland stadium and all want to start from day one with taking off some black tape, you are in trouble and have bigger issues. I get it, but it shouldn't be needed at this level. Do other higher-tier programs do this? I have not seen it... Are we the only one's using this junior high motivation tactic? Sheesh.
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He literally took the black stripe idea from Urban Meyer and yes, Meyer still does it. So why did Meyer come up with the idea? For the same reason that Butch uses it, team unity. The black stripe process removes freshman hazing, something Meyer found to cause rifts in team unity. But the idea behind hazing is that the older players forced the younger players to do extra work and normally something degrading to show they "belong" and are a part of the team. Getting your black stripe removed also requires extra work and showing that you belong on the team, just with out the embarrassment.
 
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Yes in some positions we lack depth. The reasons are tabled and we all know them. Excuses like stars in the sky. Sometimes I think that's all we do well. Sooner or later 22 guys are going to have to go get their respect. ''Gel'', Get the chemistry right, get the most out of your players, whatever you want to call it. When that happens we'll beat a few teams we're not supposed to, wins beget wins. Then when winning is more the rule rather than the exception, the excuses drift away, the game slows down, injuries lessen in severity and and number. Players will stop missing spring practice, no undisclosed injuries, Coaches will suddenly know what they're doing, Kesling will even get more tolerable. What's the cure for this team Charlie Sheen? Just WIN
 
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MustafaRasta said:
I don't know what you're missing. I'm not downplaying Fulmer, I already pointed out in my post he was by far our best modern day coach. I guess you don't comprehend if he had 41% seasons of 4 or more that would mean that 59% were 3 or less.
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If that's the case then why even bring up the percentage of seasons where Fulmer had 4+ losses, and I quote " Just so happens in that era of greatness there were also a lot of 8-4 records, a 5 loss season, a six loss season and a seven loss season. Seven of Fulmer's 17 years had 4 or more losses. That's 41% if you're playing at home." You are trying to create some sort of false similarity between their two records, when 100% of Jones' seasons have had 4+ losses.

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Also , saying he just loss to Spurrier is generous. Most of those games were embarrassingly out of hand. Kind of like Butch's losses to Alabama. You extending him the same courtesy? I guess those Spurrier teams that won 11 games were just total bums because Butch happened to beat them? Fulmer didn't drop games to chump teams? He didn't have seasons where he lost to every good team and won against the bad teams? These are your for real serious arguments?

Wow.
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How is Butch not getting the same courtesy? Fulmer couldn't beat Spurrier in the 90's, and no one was talking of firing him because of it. Butch can't beat Saban and is losing by near the same margins, but that's not why anyone thinks he will be eventually fired. In addition to not being able to beat Saban, he also can't seem to beat Muschamp, he also can't seem to win against any SECw team, he also has lost to Vanderbilt 2/4 seasons.

I get it, Butch is "your guy", but wow, you seriously want to try to re-imagine Fulmer's time at UT in order to try to prop up CBJ's record? That's where your defense of Butch has taken you? Sad.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
I posted this thread about 5 minutes after Hubbs said this verbatim on 104.5
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That's how I read it.
Just that so many posts followed suggesting people were tired of Jones saying these things, I thought maybe I missed something.

But apparently not. I guess we do just have that many dense posters unable to understand the difference, even when it's spelled out for them.
 
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Winning fixes everything. Losing means new coach on the horizon. Let's see which way the wind blows this season before we panic.
 
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Ancient Reptile said:
Really? Does Steve know?
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From Spurrier's 2016 autobiography

"After losing 45-42 against Tennessee on Nov. 1, he left his postgame press conference without answering a single question and had problems sleeping and remembering the code for his locker and phone numbers later that week. South Carolina’s team psychologist diagnosed him with "acute stress disorder” and prescribed him sleeping pills, according to Spurrier."
 
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MustafaRasta said:
No, you don't.
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08Vol said:
From Spurrier's 2016 autobiography

"After losing 45-42 against Tennessee on Nov. 1, he left his postgame press conference without answering a single question and had problems sleeping and remembering the code for his locker and phone numbers later that week. South Carolina’s team psychologist diagnosed him with "acute stress disorder” and prescribed him sleeping pills, according to Spurrier."
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And that (a quote referencing a game from 2014) proves he left Florida for the NFL and SCar for retirement because of Tennessee? I don't think so.
 
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I don't want to hear one damned excuse this season. Win ten or gtfo I'm over this middle of the pack crap.and one of those wins best be over the Muskrat in Columbia.
 
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08Vol said:
From Spurrier's 2016 autobiography

"After losing 45-42 against Tennessee on Nov. 1, he left his postgame press conference without answering a single question and had problems sleeping and remembering the code for his locker and phone numbers later that week. South Carolina’s team psychologist diagnosed him with "acute stress disorder” and prescribed him sleeping pills, according to Spurrier."
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Good reply. That's one.
 
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#271
Depth will be an issue at a few positions. Some guys need to step up.
I believe in the past we have not developed players as well as we should have. Butch knows it and had to clean house to fix it. That hurt recruiting this past cycle. It was a good class considering the coaching turnover. I say nice job Butch. I expect a great signing class next year if our on field results meet expectations this season. Going to the SECCG would really get the phone ringing.

Every college team has depth issues at a few positions every year, except for the most eliete programs.
Expect to always have a few depth issues. It is not the end of the world unless we are hit by more than a normal level of injuries at those positions.

I an not worried about lost production. We have play makers that will become stars.

I was worried about depth in the DLine but the coaches don't seem to be panicking over it. So, perhaps we have more there than I see.
 
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The coaching turnover wasn't a big factor in last year's recruiting. On-field performance and failure to meet expectations cost the Vols recruits. There are a lot of developmental prospects in the incoming class. The coaches will probably try and RS as many as they can. Some will have to play this year and have the potential to be impact players; others can be rotational role players.
 
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LA Vol said:
The coaching turnover wasn't a big factor in last year's recruiting. On-field performance and failure to meet expectations cost the Vols recruits. There are a lot of developmental prospects in the incoming class. The coaches will probably try and RS as many as they can. Some will have to play this year and have the potential to be impact players; others can be rotational role players.
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Seems back in the day(Johnny's days), our stud freshman players that weren't red shirting would be worked into games to run "their" play, it didn't if they were on offense or defense.

I remember Earnest Fields and Tyrone Hines being sent in for specific situations(3rd and long) to run stunts. Seems they would make the play that would get us the ball back.

A rookie doesn't hafta have a full working knowledge of the whole scheme to come in and get a sack or run a route.
 
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LA Vol said:
The coaching turnover wasn't a big factor in last year's recruiting. On-field performance and failure to meet expectations cost the Vols recruits. There are a lot of developmental prospects in the incoming class. The coaches will probably try and RS as many as they can. Some will have to play this year and have the potential to be impact players; others can be rotational role players.
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A lot plays into recruiting and I think we've taken a huge hit with the lack of players being drafted. I think this draft will result in a nice bump in recruiting. Other coaches could say "Jones can't develop talent for the NFL" and soon Jones will be able to say "I saw the potential in these guys, got them on campus, they worked like heck, and now they're going pro"
 
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