Penn State, Fulmer & someting to think about

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Now I am on the fence about getting rid of Fulmer!

Look at Penn State

W L
2007 9 4
2006 9 4
2005 11 1
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2004.... 4 7
2003.... 3 9
2002.... 9 4
2001.... 5 6
2000.... 5 7

And where are they now? 2008

If they got rid of their coach they could have nosed dived like Neb and Bama was in the tank for years!


Now look at UT same time frame

2007 10- 4
2006 9 -4
2005 5 -6
2004 10 -3
2003 10- 3
2002 8 -5
2001 11 -2
2000 8 -4


Now I am not saying this is a major reason to keep Fulmer.

Just thinking because I am on the fence
 
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transammann said:
Now I am on the fence about getting rid of Fulmer!

Look at Penn State

W L
2007 9 4
2006 9 4
2005 11 1
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2004.... 4 7
2003.... 3 9
2002.... 9 4
2001.... 5 6
2000.... 5 7

And where are they now? 2008

If they got rid of their coach they could have nosed dived like Neb and Bama was in the tank for years!


Now look at UT same time frame

2007 10- 4
2006 9 -4
2005 5 -6
2004 10 -3
2003 10- 3
2002 8 -5
2001 11 -2
2000 8 -4


Now I am not saying this is a major reason to keep Fulmer.

Just thinking because I am on the fence
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Fulmer is way more involved with our team than Paterno is right now. Apples to Oranges.
 
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Paterno is a figurehead. The reason they are great again is Paterno cleaned house and pretty much doesn't get that involved.

Not the same situation at all. I wish people would stop with the "WHAT ABOUT PENN. ST" crap.
 
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Why didn't the OP just go out and run over Mr. Ed with a Mack truck?
 
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Paterno is not afraid to let the coaches do their jobs and puts his trust in them. If Fulmer hired personnel that helped his weaknesses we would not be having a discussion on why he should leave. He is afraid that if he gets a young smart coach in there then he might be the next Johnny Majors. (Which is selfish thinking on his part)
 
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Joe Pa realized what it took to win again. He fired all his coaches, hired new ones and is letting them do their jobs. Fulmer hires new coaches and can't keep his hand out of the cookie jar. He won't let them do their job because he still thinks he's got it. No comparison.
 
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hog88 said:
Joe Pa is nothing more than a figure head now.
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Way off base...Paterno is a very hands on coach. Although his injury has changed the way he interacts he still instructs and coaches everyday.

I attended camps at Penn State while being recruited, He was always out on the field going from position to position giving instruction on form, technique, etc. He is a hell of a coach.
 
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transammann said:
Now I am on the fence about getting rid of Fulmer!

Look at Penn State

W L
2007 9 4
2006 9 4
2005 11 1
---------------
2004.... 4 7
2003.... 3 9
2002.... 9 4
2001.... 5 6
2000.... 5 7

And where are they now? 2008

If they got rid of their coach they could have nosed dived like Neb and Bama was in the tank for years!


Now look at UT same time frame

2007 10- 4
2006 9 -4
2005 5 -6
2004 10 -3
2003 10- 3
2002 8 -5
2001 11 -2
2000 8 -4


Now I am not saying this is a major reason to keep Fulmer.

Just thinking because I am on the fence
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One big difference. Big ten and SEC. By the way, how much do you think Paterno actually coaches from the booth and with no headset
 
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transammann said:
Now I am on the fence about getting rid of Fulmer!

Look at Penn State......

Just thinking because I am on the fence
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Pen St won a Big10 Championship in 2005 and is competing for the NC this year. We are on a 9 year drought of 0 Championships, 0 BCS bowls, .678 winning percentage (much worse against our biggest rivals).
 
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KB5252 said:
Joe Pa is not the reason for their turnaround.
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Correct, Paterno is a lot more like a Chairman of the Board Emeritus than a CEO. Penn State and Coach Paterno found a dignified way to accomodate the coaching legend while at the same time as saving the team. I wish UT and Coach Fulmer could reach a similar win-win solution in Knoxville, but I think our situation is different.
 
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docbarnes said:
Paterno is not afraid to let the coaches do their jobs and puts his trust in them. If Fulmer hired personnel that helped his weaknesses we would not be having a discussion on why he should leave. He is afraid that if he gets a young smart coach in there then he might be the next Johnny Majors. (Which is selfish thinking on his part)
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Paterno is not affraid to "make" them do their job. He expects more out of his coaches than he expects out of his players.
 
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transammann said:
Now I am on the fence about getting rid of Fulmer!

Look at Penn State

W L
2007 9 4
2006 9 4
2005 11 1
---------------
2004.... 4 7
2003.... 3 9
2002.... 9 4
2001.... 5 6
2000.... 5 7

And where are they now? 2008

If they got rid of their coach they could have nosed dived like Neb and Bama was in the tank for years!


Now look at UT same time frame

2007 10- 4
2006 9 -4
2005 5 -6
2004 10 -3
2003 10- 3
2002 8 -5
2001 11 -2
2000 8 -4


Now I am not saying this is a major reason to keep Fulmer.

Just thinking because I am on the fence
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Penn St. is getting recruits based on the tradition and location in the Big 10 with them and other schools in that conference. Also, the Big 10 is weaker than the SEC at this point and will continue to play second or maybe 3rd fiddle with the emergence of the Big 12 as a powerhouse the past 2 years to rival the SEC. Penn St. wouldn't have gotten the resurgence they have enjoyed right now in the SEC. We are 30-20 in Phil's last 50 games and are 1-5 over the past 2 seasons against our rivals and we haven't beaten Florida in 4 years. You pointing out records is fine and all, just remember what conference we are in before comparing apples to oranges with UT and Penn St. It's much harder to recruit and play in this conference than it is in the Big 10.
 
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Paterno does not make any day to day decisions within the program, he's not he one out on the practice field yelling about X's and O's he's not the one getting the players fired up on the sidelines or making in-game adjustments, he just sits up in the box and talks to the press at the end of the game.

He is like the queen of england, ...no real power....constituency idolizes him..... talks incoherently and most of the English speaking world can't figure out what they just said....and theyre both realllllly old....

i dont want UT to get sucked into a situation like penn st where it is literally impossible to get rid of a coach because of his tenure, JoePa should have retire a while back but didnt, I dont want UT to just sit around and have to wait for fulmer to retire whenever he wants to, there needs to be discussion between the two sides and pressure when he doesnt preform, and not only threats but real action.
 
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TheTennesseeTom said:
Way off base...Paterno is a very hands on coach. Although his injury has changed the way he interacts he still instructs and coaches everyday.

I attended camps at Penn State while being recruited, He was always out on the field going from position to position giving instruction on form, technique, etc. He is a hell of a coach.
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When were you being recruited?
 
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i think one thing that contributes to this stat is the upsurge of the big-ten in the late 90's and earlier part of the 2000's. penn state was playing in a much more difficult conference then. the issue with tennessee is that they are in a conference on the rise as well, much like the Big Ten awhile back. therefore the logic would follow this line...if we wait long enough for the SEC to become weaker then tennessee will be better. Not good enough for me my friend.

i think that joe pa is a great coach, but he is bearing the fruit from a very very weak big ten right now. question is...if penn state were in the SEC what would their record be now? i dont think PSU has gotten necessarily better...the big ten has simply gotten worse year after year. so, if you want to wait for that to happen in the SEC...it may be another 20 years.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
So you admit the surge worked?
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ha ha! funny wording...two things...

no...war is not for me my friend. won't support it and won't do it. but yes...penn state is definitely enjoying a weak conference right now.
 
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I am a long time UT fan married to a Nittany Lion. JoePa is a lot more involved than Bowden who is now just a figurehead. Joe is on the field most days. The reason he is in the press box now is that he hurt himself demonstrating an on-sides kick.
 
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unevenload said:
I am a long time UT fan married to a Nittany Lion. JoePa is a lot more involved than Bowden who is now just a figurehead. Joe is on the field most days. The reason he is in the press box now is that he hurt himself demonstrating an on-sides kick.
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no he's really not involved that much. He may be on the practice field but he leaves almost all of the coaching to his assistants (and has for a few years)
 
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