Pearl, Hamilton, & Dooley

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UT isn't some bastion of moral high ground. UT doesn't really care about what the rest of college athletics thinks of them.
While there may be SOME of that thinking at UT, they are more concerned with the fans showing up when they put on a game.

What someone from from another school thinks about it is way down on the priority list while the thought of going back to 5,000 fans showing up at a men's basketball game instead of 20,000-fan sellouts frightens them to death. College sports isn't about morals; it's about putting butts in the seats. I'm not saying that it's right; it's just what it is.

Some don't like Hamilton because he isn't a Tennessee guy, some don't like him because he fired Fulmer, and then there are those who see what he said in the interview as an attempt to harm the players, coaches, and program or severe incompetence at best.

Pearl is a coach who is loyal to his team and was trying to improve it even if he committed a minor infraction in that effort. The attempted coverup of that infraction as a common human failure and & he should be forgiven for just being a human being instead of some super hero.

All that being said, the best thing to keep the arena full for the next several seasons is to keep both Hamilton & Pearl. They can co-exist & be successful in what they each do.

Firing Pearl will be something that UT may not recover from for decades, just as we didn't when Mears was forced to retire. Keeping him will rally the fan base to weather the storm.

Hamilton's future needs to be tied to Dooley's success or failure. If Dooley doesn't challenge for the SEC East title this year with Florida & SC both down & with Georgia coming to Knoxville, he may not ever win it. If that hire fails, that is when Hamilton should be shown the door & replaced my someone who will hire the next football coach.
 
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SmokyVol said:
UT isn't some bastion of moral high ground. UT doesn't really care about what the rest of college athletics thinks of them.
While there may be SOME of that thinking at UT, they are more concerned with the fans showing up when they put on a game.

What someone from from another school thinks about it is way down on the priority list while the thought of going back to 5,000 fans showing up at a men's basketball game instead of 20,000-fan sellouts frightens them to death. College sports isn't about morals; it's about putting butts in the seats. I'm not saying that it's right; it's just what it is.

Some don't like Hamilton because he isn't a Tennessee guy, some don't like him because he fired Fulmer, and then there are those who see what he said in the interview as an attempt to harm the players, coaches, and program or severe incompetence at best.

Pearl is a coach who is loyal to his team and was trying to improve it even if he committed a minor infraction in that effort. The attempted coverup of that infraction as a common human failure and & he should be forgiven for just being a human being instead of some super hero.

All that being said, the best thing to keep the arena full for the next several seasons is to keep both Hamilton & Pearl. They can co-exist & be successful in what they each do.

Firing Pearl will be something that UT may not recover from for decades, just as we didn't when Mears was forced to retire. Keeping him will rally the fan base to weather the storm.

Hamilton's future needs to be tied to Dooley's success or failure. If Dooley doesn't challenge for the SEC East title this year with Florida & SC both down & with Georgia coming to Knoxville, he may not ever win it. If that hire fails, that is when Hamilton should be shown the door & replaced my someone who will hire the next football coach.
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lol
 
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SmokyVol said:
Hamilton's future needs to be tied to Dooley's success or failure. If Dooley doesn't challenge for the SEC East title this year with Florida & SC both down & with Georgia coming to Knoxville, he may not ever win it. If that hire fails, that is when Hamilton should be shown the door & replaced my someone who will hire the next football coach.
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Let me end the suspense for you....good chance we will not challenge for the SEC East title, and guess what? It will not be Dooley's fault. Sorry but we are still a couple of years away.
 
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SmokyVol said:
Firing Pearl will be something that UT may not recover from for decades, just as we didn't when Mears was forced to retire. Keeping him will rally the fan base to weather the storm.
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what happened to UT basketball in the 5 or so years after Mears was replaced?
 
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CaliVol2009 said:
lol
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You made a lot of good points until your last statement. It is much easier to recruit and coach a basketball team to compete for SEC titles. One can put together a 7-8 person rotation in basketball in one - two years. However, that is not the case with football. To compete in football, one has to put together about 45 good play4rs to become competitive which very difficult in 2-3 years. I think it will be 2013 before anyone could have the football team competing for the SEC title.
 
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By your arguement, being unethical is okay as long as it betters the team. Let's start paying players then. I'm sure we can buy a 5-star or two. While we're at it, let's pump them full of steroids. That extra muscle mass will allow us to box out better. Hell, if cheating is okay, let's just go all out. I wonder how much refs cost. If Haslam will pony up, we can buy some championships. As long as we keep the arena full, right? Winning is all that matters. Screw integrity.

I don't like Hammy because he's only good at one facet of his job. Pearl was not thinking of what was best for his team or the university when he lied to the NCAA. It wasn't a common human failure, it was a man trying to save his rear while putting his team and this university squarely in the NCAA crosshairs. It wasn't like this was Pearl's first time breaking this exact same rule. He didn't just make a mistake, he acted knowing full well what the consequences could be. He doesn't regret his actions, he regrets being caught. He needs to go.
 
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I think most sports fans understand that cheating/rule bending happens in all areas of all sports. I do anyway. But when a coach gets caught, he MUST pay the price. When you get caught, lie about it, do it again, I don't want you coaching my team. Seems simple to me.
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SmokyVol said:
UT isn't some bastion of moral high ground. UT doesn't really care about what the rest of college athletics thinks of them.
While there may be SOME of that thinking at UT, they are more concerned with the fans showing up when they put on a game.

What someone from from another school thinks about it is way down on the priority list while the thought of going back to 5,000 fans showing up at a men's basketball game instead of 20,000-fan sellouts frightens them to death. College sports isn't about morals; it's about putting butts in the seats. I'm not saying that it's right; it's just what it is.

Some don't like Hamilton because he isn't a Tennessee guy, some don't like him because he fired Fulmer, and then there are those who see what he said in the interview as an attempt to harm the players, coaches, and program or severe incompetence at best.

Pearl is a coach who is loyal to his team and was trying to improve it even if he committed a minor infraction in that effort. The attempted coverup of that infraction as a common human failure and & he should be forgiven for just being a human being instead of some super hero.

All that being said, the best thing to keep the arena full for the next several seasons is to keep both Hamilton & Pearl. They can co-exist & be successful in what they each do.

Firing Pearl will be something that UT may not recover from for decades, just as we didn't when Mears was forced to retire. Keeping him will rally the fan base to weather the storm.

Hamilton's future needs to be tied to Dooley's success or failure. If Dooley doesn't challenge for the SEC East title this year with Florida & SC both down & with Georgia coming to Knoxville, he may not ever win it. If that hire fails, that is when Hamilton should be shown the door & replaced my someone who will hire the next football coach.
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This is garbage....
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Look at UT athletics before and after Hamilton. You could justify his competency if he were getting a paycheck from the late Logan Young. Hamilton is doing something Young could not do, destroying UT athletics.
 
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SmokyVol said:
Hamilton's future needs to be tied to Dooley's success or failure.
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No it shouldn't. If Dooley succeeds at UT (which I don't think he will), then it is nothing other than dumb luck for Mike Hamilton. Regardless of his effort to make us think that DD is the guy he really wanted at UT, that simply isn't the case. He wasn't on the coaching search list in '08, a season where La Tech was much more successul than the one that preceded his hire at UT. In 2010, he was only interviewed after 5 or so better candidates said no thanks. Hamilton needs to go regardless of DD's success or failure.
 
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SmokyVol said:
UT isn't some bastion of moral high ground. UT doesn't really care about what the rest of college athletics thinks of them.
While there may be SOME of that thinking at UT, they are more concerned with the fans showing up when they put on a game.

What someone from from another school thinks about it is way down on the priority list while the thought of going back to 5,000 fans showing up at a men's basketball game instead of 20,000-fan sellouts frightens them to death. College sports isn't about morals; it's about putting butts in the seats. I'm not saying that it's right; it's just what it is.

Some don't like Hamilton because he isn't a Tennessee guy, some don't like him because he fired Fulmer, and then there are those who see what he said in the interview as an attempt to harm the players, coaches, and program or severe incompetence at best.

Pearl is a coach who is loyal to his team and was trying to improve it even if he committed a minor infraction in that effort. The attempted coverup of that infraction as a common human failure and & he should be forgiven for just being a human being instead of some super hero.

All that being said, the best thing to keep the arena full for the next several seasons is to keep both Hamilton & Pearl. They can co-exist & be successful in what they each do.

Firing Pearl will be something that UT may not recover from for decades, just as we didn't when Mears was forced to retire. Keeping him will rally the fan base to weather the storm.

Hamilton's future needs to be tied to Dooley's success or failure. If Dooley doesn't challenge for the SEC East title this year with Florida & SC both down & with Georgia coming to Knoxville, he may not ever win it. If that hire fails, that is when Hamilton should be shown the door & replaced my someone who will hire the next football coach.
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:lolabove: Hahahahahahahahahaha......... (breathe)........ HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
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Vol Karma said:
Let me end the suspense for you....good chance we will not challenge for the SEC East title, and guess what? It will not be Dooley's fault. Sorry but we are still a couple of years away.
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Thank you,at least one more get's what is going on. I think this team will be even younger than last year.
 
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Vol Karma said:
Let me end the suspense for you....good chance we will not challenge for the SEC East title, and guess what? It will not be Dooley's fault. Sorry but we are still a couple of years away.
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You beat me too it....I was with him until the reasoning for us competing for the SEC East...man, is that a stretch or what.....going to Fl and Alabama even in a down year is a far stretch when we are at full strength much less in a serious rebuilding year....No, Coach Dooley will be given several years to accomplish his goals....the state of the program was in such shambles that he's working from the bottom up....and doing a great job at it so far....shore up those lines on each side and we'll look a whole lot better with some serious depth....
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
No it shouldn't. If Dooley succeeds at UT (which I don't think he will), then it is nothing other than dumb luck for Mike Hamilton. Regardless of his effort to make us think that DD is the guy he really wanted at UT, that simply isn't the case. He wasn't on the coaching search list in '08, a season where La Tech was much more successul than the one that preceded his hire at UT. In 2010, he was only interviewed after 5 or so better candidates said no thanks. Hamilton needs to go regardless of DD's success or failure.
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Glad you said "I dont think he will"....because you certainly have no basis for that opinion...but thats okay....its certainly just your opinion...
 
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tennrich1 said:
Glad you said "I dont think he will"....because you certainly have no basis for that opinion...but thats okay....its certainly just your opinion...
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There's plenty of basis for the opinion, I just didn't go over it because the whole will or won't DD succeed at UT has been discussed into the ground over the past year. If you must know, the main basis for the opinion is the fact that he has yet to be successful as a HC, even in one of the worst conferences in the nation, he failed to outrecruit any of our top rivals this year, and for a good portion of the season last year, UT looked like the most poorly coached college football team I've ever seen in my life. I know we played a lot of young guys, but still, not being able to get the right number of men on the field for over a month is beyond ridiculous. It's something that pee wee teams get right on a consistent basis, yet somehow a major college team couldn't handle it. The recruiting is the biggest issue though, he'll never win if he can't keep pace talent wise with the top teams in the conference.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
There's plenty of basis for the opinion, I just didn't go over it because the whole will or won't DD succeed at UT has been discussed into the ground over the past year. If you must know, the main basis for the opinion is the fact that he has yet to be successful as a HC, even in one of the worst conferences in the nation, he failed to outrecruit any of our top rivals this year, and for a good portion of the season last year, UT looked like the most poorly coached college football team I've ever seen in my life. I know we played a lot of young guys, but still, not being able to get the right number of men on the field for over a month is beyond ridiculous. It's something that pee wee teams get right on a consistent basis, yet somehow a major college team couldn't handle it. The recruiting is the biggest issue though, he'll never win if he can't keep pace talent wise with the top teams in the conference.
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Having 5* recruits is like having a 12" stiffy...does you know good whatsoever if you don't have a date!!!

In other words, you can have all of the 5* star guys...give me a staff that can develop players, and I'll take 3* guys and whip your tail with them...
I believe Dooley and Company is such a staff...unfortunately it will take 3 to 5 years to see if this is true or not...
 
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IndianaVol said:
Having 5* recruits is like having a 12" stiffy...does you know good whatsoever if you don't have a date!!!

In other words, you can have all of the 5* star guys...give me a staff that can develop players, and I'll take 3* guys and whip your tail with them...
I believe Dooley and Company is such a staff...unfortunately it will take 3 to 5 years to see if this is true or not...
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Nice fantasy, but the evidence shows that this just doesn't happen. On the field results tend to fall very much in line with the recruiting results. The team with the better players wins most of the time. Unfortunately, DD isn't recruiting better players than the top teams in the SEC. That's why I feel like we'll continue to be a 6-6 or 7-5 sort of team as long as he's the coach.
 
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