Paul Johnson?

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#2
His name has been brought up a time or two, but I just don't like the idea. He's close enough to be a local, being a Newland, NC native, did great things at Ga. Southern and last I understood had no desire to leave Navy. All that being said, I'm not so sure the spread offense is nothing more than a slightly tampered with triple option.
 
#3
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I agree, but after last year against Air Force I am wondering if that style of offense wouldnt cause headaches in the SEC. Given the level of talent on our team vs Navy's I wonder how good this guy could be.

Oh yeah, and my wife is a Naval Acadamy alum and I worked there for a year, my 'OPINION' is that this guy would probably come to our program.
 
#4
#4
at this point I'd just be happy with change. we could hire kirk herbstreit for all i care. just someone who would bring some fresh air in.
 
#5
#5
Yeah, I've read that in another thread, although herby hasnt been a coach of anything so I would rather hold out for Peyton :)
 
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#6
Paul Johnson is a GREAT coach, he did awesome at GSU, i saw him win 2 national championships, and the triple option is EXTREMELY hard to defend. In 2004 when GSU played Georgia, we gave them fits, and was in the game until the 4th. Not to mention when we played teams that matched our talent level that season with the TO we wrecked them, we lead the nation in all CFB in rushing, if it wasnt for some defensive miscues we would have won a 7th championship, so i would love to see PJ coaching for one of my favorite schools again,,,
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
Paul Johnson is a GREAT coach, he did awesome at GSU, i saw him win 2 national championships, and the triple option is EXTREMELY hard to defend. In 2004 when GSU played Georgia, we gave them fits, and was in the game until the 4th. Not to mention when we played teams that matched our talent level that season with the TO we wrecked them, we lead the nation in all CFB in rushing, if it wasnt for some defensive miscues we would have won a 7th championship, so i would love to see PJ coaching for one of my favorite schools again,,,
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Did he recruit well there?
 
#9
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i agree, you throw the powerful option in there, with some passes, i mean thats the offense from hell right there,,
 
#10
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yah he did pretty well there, i mean its not gonna be outstanding because of the talent pool I-AA gets, but Adrian Peterson played there (chi bears) and the only reason he didnt play at a I-A school is he has a bit of a hearing problem. I mean even after he left the next 2 years we were awesome, and when his recruits left we kinda started on a downhill slope,,, which we are trying to recover from. Our recruiting classes were good. I mean we won 2 national championships in blow outs, most I-A teams didnt wanna play us, and because of Alum UGA played us once every four,,, but they really didnt want to. And Georgia Tech refused to play us
 
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#11
Well, thats got to be Tennessee's guy. I'm am amazed by the low talent level of Navy competing with named teams. This is the third year in a row that he has taken them to a bowl game and I am holding out hope he beats Notre Dame this year! Although if he does I think it might be hard to get him out of there for a couple of years.
 
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You're missing the best part of Paul Johnson. My background is in this offense and I can break down any part of it I want. If he comes aboard, I'd be able to join him and neither would miss a beat.:yes:

Navy's last three bowl games included the following:
2004 -- 14:59 drive spanning 99 yards (beat New Mexico, I believe)
2005 -- hung 51 on Colorado State, who rolled out a 1-5 flex defense; Navy ran 30 of their first 31 plays from the base formation
2006 -- came within a botched handoff of knocking off Boston College

Navy doesn't have a single player who ranked above #300 at his position coming out of high school. They have a 5'11", 240-pound lineman who is a three-year starter as well. A couple years ago, they had a starting backfield of 5'6", 5'7", 5'8", and 5'9"....and averaged 34 points per game.
 
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volfanbill said:
His name has been brought up a time or two, but I just don't like the idea. He's close enough to be a local, being a Newland, NC native, did great things at Ga. Southern and last I understood had no desire to leave Navy. All that being said, I'm not so sure the spread offense is nothing more than a slightly tampered with triple option.
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He doesn't run the spread. He runs a textbook Flexbone triple option. I think he's a great offensive coach, though I have mixed feelings about trying to run the Flexbone in the SEC.
 
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#14
With the injury rates of our running backs how many RB's would we have to have on the roster?

I witnessed the Hammbone, and few things in the game of football were more fun to witness....until it was time to throw the ball.
 
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Lexvol said:
With the injury rates of our running backs how many RB's would we have to have on the roster?

I witnessed the Hammbone, and few things in the game of football were more fun to witness....until it was time to throw the ball.
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This particular offense doesn't require true running backs.

The fullback goes outside the tackles for one play (leading on what I call the bounce option). The slotbacks always run outside the tackles and don't go inside at all. Having speed and acceleration eliminates the necessity to have running backs with "vision".

Throwing the ball is actually easier in this offense than a pro-style offense. The reason is that most defensive coaches will need to balance the defense in order to combat the balanced offensive formations. This forces them to stop the option by walking the safety(s) up toward the line, almost creating a 4-5 or 3-6 look rather than a 4-3 or 3-4. This creates 1-on-1 matchups outside.

In addition, the ability to run the option consistently then creates the amount of hesitation defensively necessary to allow a slotback (pure speed, remember?) to take a straight-line path past the linebackers (who are too slow to cover) and the safeties (who are usually poor in pass coverage).

You're screwed no matter how you combat the offense. If you back the corners off, the receivers block further downfield and create more yards. If you play them up, they get torched on play action. If you walk the safeties up, play action burns them, but if you don't then the basic option gashes the defense.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
This particular offense doesn't require true running backs.

The fullback goes outside the tackles for one play (leading on what I call the bounce option). The slotbacks always run outside the tackles and don't go inside at all. Having speed and acceleration eliminates the necessity to have running backs with "vision".

Throwing the ball is actually easier in this offense than a pro-style offense. The reason is that most defensive coaches will need to balance the defense in order to combat the balanced offensive formations. This forces them to stop the option by walking the safety(s) up toward the line, almost creating a 4-5 or 3-6 look rather than a 4-3 or 3-4. This creates 1-on-1 matchups outside.

In addition, the ability to run the option consistently then creates the amount of hesitation defensively necessary to allow a slotback (pure speed, remember?) to take a straight-line path past the linebackers (who are too slow to cover) and the safeties (who are usually poor in pass coverage).

You're screwed no matter how you combat the offense. If you back the corners off, the receivers block further downfield and create more yards. If you play them up, they get torched on play action. If you walk the safeties up, play action burns them, but if you don't then the basic option gashes the defense.
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In theory I have no argument. In practice, it is very difficult to find the athlete that does both very well. Especially considering the fact that most of these offenses only throw the ball when they have to. I know in watching GaSouthern for years, the stadium collectively held their breath when they Eagles started throwing the ball.

I also see several recruiting issues with the offense. It is hard to talk the A list receivers into coming to a school where their primary responsibility is blocking downfield. I also think it would be a little harder than you do when it comes to keeping a full bullpen of running backs.
 
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Lexvol said:
In theory I have no argument. In practice, it is very difficult to find the athlete that does both very well. Especially considering the fact that most of these offenses only throw the ball when they have to.

I know in watching GaSouthern for years, the stadium collectively held their breath when they Eagles started throwing the ball.
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I almost got ejected from a car one time when I inadvertently made the same argument . . . to Paul Johnson. He's a nice guy, but dude is a little touchy about his offense.
 
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GAVol said:
I almost got ejected from a car one time when I inadvertently made the same argument . . . to Paul Johnson. He's a nice guy, but dude is a little touchy about his offense.
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I think that OhioVol and Paul are telling us something about their personality types. These guys definitely believe in what they do....and that is a good thing.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
You're missing the best part of Paul Johnson. My background is in this offense and I can break down any part of it I want. If he comes aboard, I'd be able to join him and neither would miss a beat.:yes:

Navy's last three bowl games included the following:
2004 -- 14:59 drive spanning 99 yards (beat New Mexico, I believe)
2005 -- hung 51 on Colorado State, who rolled out a 1-5 flex defense; Navy ran 30 of their first 31 plays from the base formation
2006 -- came within a botched handoff of knocking off Boston College

Navy doesn't have a single player who ranked above #300 at his position coming out of high school. They have a 5'11", 240-pound lineman who is a three-year starter as well. A couple years ago, they had a starting backfield of 5'6", 5'7", 5'8", and 5'9"....and averaged 34 points per game.
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This is what stuck out with me. The last few years while watching where UT would be in the recuiting wars I got curious and looked to see who came in dead last. Navy was always close to the bottom and thats amazing considering they still make bowl games under this guy.
 
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Lexvol said:
I also see several recruiting issues with the offense. It is hard to talk the A list receivers into coming to a school where their primary responsibility is blocking downfield. I also think it would be a little harder than you do when it comes to keeping a full bullpen of running backs.
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It didnt hurt Florida bringing in some talent at running back.
 
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MontereyVol said:
It didnt hurt Florida bringing in some talent at running back.
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Florida's offense is a little different. If I remember correctly their receivers have gotten something like 65% of the carries. In the flexbone (these are estimates so I am open to correction) the TBs get 50%, QBs 35%, and the fullback and receivers get the rest.
 
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