Our DBs have 4 ints ... total , that's one every 10 quarters. JJ has

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We are horrible at producing turnovers. VaTech gave us some TO's that were not because of anything we did, but were mainly unforced. TO's are a major problem this year. Difference in being 9-1 vs 7-3.
 
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jkleno said:
We are horrible at producing turnovers. VaTech gave us some TO's that were not because of anything we did, but were mainly unforced. TO's are a major problem this year. Difference in being 9-1 vs 7-3.
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Been that way for the last 4 years under Butch. Don't understand why, but his defenses simply do not create turnovers despite him annually identifying the need for "ball disruptions".
 
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He intercepted a hail mary at the end of the half. No one was having Deon Grant flashbacks
 
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KBVol said:
Been that way for the last 4 years under Butch. Don't understand why, but his defenses simply do not create turnovers despite him annually identifying the need for "ball disruptions".
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You and I are in the same boat wanting to see certain coaches replaced. Beyond coaching, are there any others reasons why our TO margins are abyssmal?
 
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McDad said:
You and I are in the same boat wanting to see certain coaches replaced. Beyond coaching, are there any others reasons why our TO margins are abyssmal?
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The truth ..: without Sutton back there , we simply aren't overly athletic . Byrd could change that
 
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McDad said:
You and I are in the same boat wanting to see certain coaches replaced. Beyond coaching, are there any others reasons why our TO margins are abyssmal?
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No idea.

Doug Mathews has said, with respect to the secondary, that we just don't have the right personnel....we're not fast enough, not strong enough, don't have enough collective nasty attitude with our present starters. It's why he's been advocating moving Jennings and Byrd over so that we have 3 studs (add Warrior) back there next year.

Obviously, that's only one position group. The DL and LBs aren't doing much of anything either with regards to turnovers other than Barnett who has two forced fumbles and an interception.
 
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jkleno said:
We are horrible at producing turnovers. VaTech gave us some TO's that were not because of anything we did, but were mainly unforced. TO's are a major problem this year. Difference in being 9-1 vs 7-3.
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Remember at the beginning of the year on here everyone would argue and say those turnovers were not luck
 
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We aren't getting consistent pass rush, outside of Barnett. When your front 7 doesn't disrupt quickly, it gives the qb time for safe throws. They aren't making high-risk throws under pressure (see Dobbs' ints...many (most?) were under extreme pressure).

We are getting zero interior pass rush, especially now with injuries. The qb is able to move the pocket, the rb and te are able to double and triple Barnett. No one in the center of the line is getting doubled now that both Tuttle and Mackenzie are out.

The DBs aren't helping their case. Receivers with separation all over the field means the safety isn't going to be there for the fly ball. They're trying to determine which fire to put out. Too many open receivers + lack of consistent pass rush = no ints.
 
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thegasman54 said:
The truth ..: without Sutton back there , we simply aren't overly athletic . Byrd could change that
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Byrd and Warrior would change it drastically IMO. I think Abernathy is athletic enough to be effective and fit in with those other two as well as is Gaulden at nickel. Moseley and TKJr are the issues IMO. Moseley is fast, but is too weak to get off tackles and plays with poor technique. TKJr is a very good, sound tackler, but he's a step or two too slow.

I think watching this position group and how it all shakes out in the spring will be about as intriguing as watching the qb battle between QD and Guarantano.
 
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KBVol said:
No idea.

Doug Mathews has said, with respect to the secondary, that we just don't have the right personnel....we're not fast enough, not strong enough, don't have enough collective nasty attitude with our present starters. It's why he's been advocating moving Jennings and Byrd over so that we have 3 studs (add Warrior) back there next year.

Obviously, that's only one position group. The DL and LBs aren't doing much of anything either with regards to turnovers other than Barnett who has two forced fumbles and an interception.
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If CDM is correct (i generally find him spot on), then I find his assessment demoralizing, depressing, and disturbing. Weve had 4 recruiting classes since CBJ has taken over and yet we STILL do not have right personnel! Think on that for a moment. How long does it take to find fast, strong DBs with nasty attitudes? Meanwhile UGA, AU, UA continue to vacuum up loads of 4 and 5 star talent.

What the heck are we supposed to do?
 
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jwells said:
We aren't getting consistent pass rush, outside of Barnett. When your front 7 doesn't disrupt quickly, it gives the qb time for safe throws. They aren't making high-risk throws under pressure (see Dobbs' ints...many (most?) were under extreme pressure).

We are getting zero interior pass rush, especially now with injuries. The qb is able to move the pocket, the rb and te are able to double and triple Barnett. No one in the center of the line is getting doubled now that both Tuttle and Mackenzie are out.

The DBs aren't helping their case. Receivers with separation all over the field means the safety isn't going to be there for the fly ball. They're trying to determine which fire to put out. Too many open receivers + lack of consistent pass rush = no ints.
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Vereen has played very well and has gotten plenty of pressure. The problem is the interior (which you mentioned). We have been decimated by injuries there. Outside of Sutton, the Das just aren't very good.
 
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All this talk about int's and Kentucky ran buck wild on us. I'm more concerned about our ability to stop the run, not defensive turnovers.
 
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McDad said:
If CDM is correct (i generally find him spot on), then I find his assessment demoralizing, depressing, and disturbing. Weve had 4 recruiting classes since CBJ has taken over and yet we STILL do not have right personnel! Think on that for a moment. How long does it take to find fast, strong DBs with nasty attitudes? Meanwhile UGA, AU, UA continue to vacuum up loads of 4 and 5 star talent.

What the heck are we supposed to do?
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Couldn't agree more McDad. That's why he's saying we need to move two offensive players who clearly have the athletic ability and attitude to quickly transform and underperforming secondary. He said Sunday that no freshman is gonna come on and play DB for us next year, so he proposed Jennings and Warrior at safety, Gaulden and nickel and Byrd at one corner....those 3 have the kind of athletic ability and nastiness needed to compete for championships at that position. He also mention Marquil Osborne as being a viable option at one corner.....still gotta find the other. Finally,he said he might consider moving TKJr down to an undersized will linebacker.

Don't know if any of that happens specifically but it sure looks like something has to, and coming from a guy who coached up there as, including as a DC and DBs coach for awhile, it's definitely worth considering IMHO.
 
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KBVol said:
Couldn't agree more McDad. That's why he's saying we need to move two offensive players who clearly have the athletic ability and attitude to quickly transform and underperforming secondary. He said Sunday that no freshman is gonna come on and play DB for us next year, so he proposed Jennings and Warrior at safety, Gaulden and nickel and Byrd at one corner....those 3 have the kind of athletic ability and nastiness needed to compete for championships at that position. He also mention Marquil Osborne as being a viable option at one corner.....still gotta find the other. Finally,he said he might consider moving TKJr down to an undersized will linebacker.

Don't know if any of that happens specifically but it sure looks like something has to, and coming from a guy who coached up there as, including as a DC and DBs coach for awhile, it's definitely worth considering IMHO.
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I don't think it happens but I can see the wisdom in the suggestion.

4 years of recruiting and we are discussing moving talent from other positions.

That sux bigly.
 
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fade route said:
All this talk about int's and Kentucky ran buck wild on us. I'm more concerned about our ability to stop the run, not defensive turnovers.
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All of it has to be fixed Fade. We're just discussing a couple aspects/position groups since Mathews brought it up on Sunday....he sees what he thinks is a relatively quick fix at DB, which would help not only improve our defensive play on the back end but would also help create more turnovers.

Discussing our bad DT and LB play is a whole other discussion that doesn't appear to have nearly as quick a fix.
 
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McDad said:
I don't think it happens but I can see the wisdom in the suggestion.

4 years of recruiting and we are discussing moving talent from other positions.

That sux bigly.
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Year it does.

I honestly thought it was a stupid idea two weeks ago when Doug brought it up...but after watching Moseley be unable to get off a block (again) and two of our DBs not be able to get anywhere near close to chasing down JoJo Kemp for the last 50 yards of his td run on Saturday, I've come around to his way of thinking. Especially when you consider that Jennings and Byrd have 39 catches in 10 games between them this year at WR.
 
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KBVol said:
All of it has to be fixed Fade. We're just discussing a couple aspects/position groups since Mathews brought it up on Sunday....he sees what he thinks is a relatively quick fix at DB, which would help not only improve our defensive play on the back end but would also help create more turnovers.

Discussing our bad DT and LB play is a whole other discussion that doesn't appear to have nearly as quick a fix.
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I can agree on that. But taking your only offensive playmaker in Jennings and putting him at DB is absurd to me if that's what Matthews is suggesting.
 
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fade route said:
I can agree on that. But taking your only offensive playmaker in Jennings and putting him at DB is assured to me if that's what Matthews is suggesting.
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First off, Jennings isn't our only offensive playmakers. Malone has more catches, many more yards and many more touchdowns.

Secondly, as Mathews argued, Jennings touches the ball on average, less than 3 times per game....that's it. Conversely, if he's playing safety, he'd have 70-75 opportunities to make a play/have impact on defense as opposed to only being able to make a play on offense when he is targeted by our qb, which is virtually never.

So ultimately it's a tradeoff proposal. Jennings has impacted essentially two games this season at WR, vs Florida and Georgia, and it was great impact to be sure. But what could he do, how could he impact/help improve a porous, generally uathletic defensive secondary that desperately needs help? The same question goes double for Byrd who has all of 13 catches in 10 games.
 
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My 2 cents: The backs have to play back vs. man because of .........yes injuries at the LB spot. As smart as Jumper is, he does not have the quick step, he cheats on his reads and gets caught up in the trash and it limits his lateral movement. Also, since we are short at safeties and CBs.......again, man to man is limited, playing more zone and providing more cushion for the WR.......the current speed of our LBs is not the same with JRM, with Sutton back........that was improved + his leadership. I think UT will be fine, the stats might not say that, but the score will. the best way to keep the score down, keep the offense off the field. I'm not a big fan of Time of Possession stats, if you score on < 5 plays.........who cares?
 
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