Ouch. Makes This Season More Disappointing

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deatojl said:
These folks, who proclaim to be Vol fans, will absolutely cling to anything they can find that paints our team in a negative light and then refer to it as realism.
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They aren't Vol fans. They are drama fans. Drama in the program. Drama in the conversations. Drama in the media. The sport is boring to them.
 
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deatojl said:
How is Tulane ranked? They beat a 7-5 ACC team, got demolished by the only ranked team they played and lost by 12 points to 6-6 UTSA.
How is James Madison ranked? They didn't play a single ranked team all season, beat 6-6 Washington St by 4 at home and lost by 14 to 8-4 unranked Louisville.
How is Navy ranked? They beat now unranked South Florida by 3, got destroyed by Notre Dame and lost by 14 to North Texas.
How is Georgia Tech ranked? They haven't beaten a single team that is ranked. They lost by 12 to 7-5 NC State, 14 to 8-4 Pitt and 7 to Georgia. They lost 3 out of their last four games to end the season, yet still ranked.
How is North Texas ranked? Their only ranked win was against Navy, who also has no business being ranked. They were smoked 63-36 by South Florida.

If people want to trash our team for how they performed, fine. Don't ignore other teams for similar results.
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"Similar results"?

Tulane: 10-2, playing for conference championship
JMU: 11-1, playing for conference championship
Navy: 9-2, tied for 1st in conference, not playing in championship due to tiebreakers
Georgia Tech: 9-3, tied for 2nd in conference, not playing in championship due to tiebreakers
North Texas: 11-1, playing for conference championship

Tennessee: 8-4, tied for 8th in conference

But sure, that's similar.
 
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SubVet676 said:
Apparently the coaches do. All except for Navy.
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At the end of the day, the polls just rank the teams based the ones with the less losses. JMU and N Texas and Tulane are ranked, not because they beat someone but because one of those schools will be in the playoffs just because one team from the group of 5 gets there.

No team had beaten anyone when the season started because no team had played anyone.

Notre Dame continued to be ranked in the polls even when they were 0-2 because of "who they lost to".

In the first week, Texas, Clemson, Notre Dame and Bama all lost. Texas, Clemson, and Notre Dame remained in the top 10 because they lost to what folks felt were good teams. Bama tumbled and dropped to 21 because the lost to FSU. FSU was supposedly not a good team yet that win propelled them to 14 in the AP poll.
 
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whobethis16 said:
"Similar results"?

Tulane: 10-2, playing for conference championship
JMU: 11-1, playing for conference championship
Navy: 9-2, tied for 1st in conference, not playing in championship due to tiebreakers
Georgia Tech: 9-3, tied for 2nd in conference, not playing in championship due to tiebreakers
North Texas: 11-1, playing for conference championship

Tennessee: 8-4, tied for 8th in conference

But sure, that's similar.
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Correct, similar results. Placement in lower level conferences has no bearing.
For the Georgia Tech reference, 7-5 Duke is playing in their conference championship game. If that was the standard in the SEC, Tennessee would be in at 8-4.

Edit: Since you want to use Tennessee being 8th in the conference to compare to those other teams, of the 7 teams ahead of Tennessee in the standings, 3 are 11-1, 3 are 10-2 and the other is 9-3.

Georgia Tech is tied for 2nd in the ACC with 4 other teams. The 1st place team is 10-2, the teams Georgia Tech is tied with are 10-2, 8-4, 8-4 an 7-5. The 7-5 team is playing for the conference championship.

Tulane and North Texas are playing for a conference championship in a league that features powerhouse programs such as East Carolina, Army, Memphis, UTSA(who smoked Tulane), Temple, Florida Atlantic, Rice, UAB, Tulsa and Charlotte. Navy lost a tiebreaker to play for that prestigious championship.

James Madison is playing for a conference championship against the mighty 8-4 Troy Trojans. It was a grueling season, having to fend off the likes of Old Dominion, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, Marshall, App St. and Georgia State in order to advance to that highly regarded championship game. Other than the two participants, the only teams in the conference to finish with a winning record were 9-3 Old Dominion and 7-5 Southern Miss.
 
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deatojl said:
Correct, similar results. Placement in lower level conferences has no bearing.
For the Georgia Tech reference, 7-5 Duke is playing in their conference championship game. If that was the standard in the SEC, Tennessee would be in at 8-4.
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No, they're not. 11-1 is not anywhere similar to 8-4.
 
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whobethis16 said:
"Similar results"?

Tulane: 10-2, playing for conference championship
JMU: 11-1, playing for conference championship
Navy: 9-2, tied for 1st in conference, not playing in championship due to tiebreakers
Georgia Tech: 9-3, tied for 2nd in conference, not playing in championship due to tiebreakers
North Texas: 11-1, playing for conference championship

Tennessee: 8-4, tied for 8th in conference

But sure, that's similar.
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lol.....The thing that is most dissimilar................................the strength of conference.
TN would be in the conference championship game in any of those conferences.
 
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whobethis16 said:
And the ball bounces a different way, the Arkansas and State games are losses.
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If the ball bounces a different way for Georgia - they would have 5 losses.
If the ball bounces a different way for Arkansas, they are 7-5.
If the ball bounces a different way for MSU, they are 8-4.
If the ball bounces a different way for Ole Miss, they have 5 losses.

You could do this for most of the teams.

OSU has one close game. No one can really argue about OSU.

Indiana has no close games, but half of their wins are against teams with losing records + 1 against a 6-6 team. Oregon and Illinois are the only two P4 teams they have beat. They got their ranking due to the Illinois win but now we know Illinois is not all that. The other two teams they beat do have winning records, but they are teams that any P4 team should beat.
 
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volfan102455 said:
If the ball bounces a different way for Georgia - they would have 5 losses.
If the ball bounces a different way for Arkansas, they are 7-5.
If the ball bounces a different way for MSU, they are 8-4.
If the ball bounces a different way for Ole Miss, they have 5 losses.

You could do this for most of the teams.

OSU has one close game. No one can really argue about OSU.

Indiana has no close games, but half of their wins are against teams with losing records + 1 against a 6-6 team. Oregon and Illinois are the only two P4 teams they have beat. They got their ranking due to the Illinois win but now we know Illinois is not all that. The other two teams they beat do have winning records, but they are teams that any P4 team should beat.
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Exactly, which is why it's so idiotic to say "if the ball bounces a different way, Tennessee wins".
 
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whobethis16 said:
Exactly, which is why it's so idiotic to say "if the ball bounces a different way, Tennessee wins".
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Nope. It's why it's idiotic to claim that 8-4 is a sign that the sky is falling while also claiming GA's 11-1 is a sign of complete dominance. That line of reasoning is complete nonsense.
 
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We were ranked because other than Vanderbilt (cringe) we could’ve and should’ve won 2/3 against what are now top ten teams. It’s not just wins and losses, it’s how you perform against top competition. If it were based purely on wins and losses then James Madison would be a top 5 team.
 
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luthervol said:
lol.....The thing that is most dissimilar................................the strength of conference.
TN would be in the conference championship game in any of those conferences.
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Agree and more than likely which ever one of Tulane, JMU and North Texas that makes the playoffs is going to get blown off the field in their first game. And sadly, if Duke does the unthinkable and beats Virigina for the ACC title, I believe one of them would get a first round bye.

Duke is 7-5 and playing for the ACC title and a playoff berth.
 
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Whatever. As other have said, we’re also the only team to even have played four teams in the current, season ending top 15. You can only play the teams on your schedule.

Put the question in Vegas’ hands. Tennessee plays AT JMU, Tulane, Navy. Who’s favored? The rankings at this point are strictly based on W/L, not who’s “better.”
 
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luthervol said:
Nope. It's why it's idiotic to claim that 8-4 is a sign that the sky is falling while also claiming GA's 11-1 is a sign of complete dominance. That line of reasoning is complete nonsense.
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I was going to reply to the post you replied to but you said it better than me.

I just question whether some of the folks on here are really fans - most seem like trolls.
 
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luthervol said:
Nope. It's why it's idiotic to claim that 8-4 is a sign that the sky is falling while also claiming GA's 11-1 is a sign of complete dominance. That line of reasoning is complete nonsense.
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I've never claimed the sky is falling, but I'm also not one crying about not being ranked begging for participation points.
 
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As Doug Mathews said on Big Orange Sunday this week, "This year's Vols were the worst of the best and best of the worst. That pretty much equals average."

We stayed ranked bc we lost to 4 potential playoff teams (and played two of them pretty close) so the drops in rankings after those losses (other than Vandy) weren't huge. And the losses were scattered in between wins against SEC opponents. We also had one of, if not the best, offense statistically in the SEC.

It's not rocket science.
 
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whobethis16 said:
I've never claimed the sky is falling, but I'm also not one crying about not being ranked begging for participation points.
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Who's crying about not being ranked? The reactions are to the guy claiming it is absurd that Tennessee remained ranked through the season while not beating any ranked teams. He singled out Tennessee while conveniently leaving out teams like Georgia Tech. In the AP poll, Tennessee dropped out of the rankings after the Vandy loss so he must have been basing his point on the games prior to Vandy. At that point, Tennessee had three losses and no ranked wins. Georgia Tech is still ranked with three losses, no ranked wins, losses in 3 of their last 4 games and two of those losses against unranked teams, which is something Tennessee did not do.
 
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deatojl said:
Correct, similar results. Placement in lower level conferences has no bearing.
For the Georgia Tech reference, 7-5 Duke is playing in their conference championship game. If that was the standard in the SEC, Tennessee would be in at 8-4.

Edit: Since you want to use Tennessee being 8th in the conference to compare to those other teams, of the 7 teams ahead of Tennessee in the standings, 3 are 11-1, 3 are 10-2 and the other is 9-3.

Georgia Tech is tied for 2nd in the ACC with 4 other teams. The 1st place team is 10-2, the teams Georgia Tech is tied with are 10-2, 8-4, 8-4 an 7-5. The 7-5 team is playing for the conference championship.

Tulane and North Texas are playing for a conference championship in a league that features powerhouse programs such as East Carolina, Army, Memphis, UTSA(who smoked Tulane), Temple, Florida Atlantic, Rice, UAB, Tulsa and Charlotte. Navy lost a tiebreaker to play for that prestigious championship.

James Madison is playing for a conference championship against the mighty 8-4 Troy Trojans. It was a grueling season, having to fend off the likes of Old Dominion, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, Marshall, App St. and Georgia State in order to advance to that highly regarded championship game. Other than the two participants, the only teams in the conference to finish with a winning record were 9-3 Old Dominion and 7-5 Southern Miss.
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Yep. Context matters.
 
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deatojl said:
Who's crying about not being ranked? The reactions are to the guy claiming it is absurd that Tennessee remained ranked through the season while not beating any ranked teams. He singled out Tennessee while conveniently leaving out teams like Georgia Tech. In the AP poll, Tennessee dropped out of the rankings after the Vandy loss so he must have been basing his point on the games prior to Vandy. At that point, Tennessee had three losses and no ranked wins. Georgia Tech is still ranked with three losses, no ranked wins, losses in 3 of their last 4 games and two of those losses against unranked teams, which is something Tennessee did not do.
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You, with your tirade about teams with 2-3 more wins being ranked. And the post/tweet explicitly states "4 losses", so that is after the Vandy game. Tech currently has 3 losses, Tennessee has 4.
 
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whobethis16 said:
"Similar results"?

Tulane: 10-2, playing for conference championship
JMU: 11-1, playing for conference championship
Navy: 9-2, tied for 1st in conference, not playing in championship due to tiebreakers
Georgia Tech: 9-3, tied for 2nd in conference, not playing in championship due to tiebreakers
North Texas: 11-1, playing for conference championship

Tennessee: 8-4, tied for 8th in conference

But sure, that's similar.
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Yep, and playing in those conferences is exactly like playing in the SEC.
 
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