On TAMU Suddenly Being Labeled a Trash Team

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A quick observation...

Before the UF game, folks were saying they'd blow us out. Tennessee came back from a 21-point deficit to win with relative ease after a dominant second half. They escaped vs. UGA thanks to making just enough plays. Then the talk was all about TAMU being the superior team. Most of the more cynical posters on here seemed to doubt that UT could even play with A&M. Had any of us, sunshine-pumpers, negas, and everyone in between, been told that UT would turn the ball over seven times, we would probably have expected a massacre. That obviously did not happen.

Why is it, then, that UF and TAMU were such good teams before we played them and are now suddenly trash? Some of you, and you know who you are, despise Butch Jones so much, for whatever reason, that you have already decided that this team you claim to pull for is garbage. Hence, everything they do positively on the field must be the result of deficiencies in the other team's play.

You'll have your work cut out for you next week. Discrediting UT's win over Alabama will require logical hoop-jumping the likes of which we haven't seen yet. Go Big Orange.
 
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FightingScott said:
A quick observation...

Before the UF game, folks were saying they'd blow us out. Tennessee came back from a 21-point deficit to win with relative ease after a dominant second half. They escaped vs. UGA thanks to making just enough plays. Then the talk was all about TAMU being the superior team. Most of the more cynical posters on here seemed to doubt that UT could even play with A&M. Had any of us, sunshine-pumpers, negas, and everyone in between, been told that UT would turn the ball over seven times, we would probably have expected a massacre. That obviously did not happen.

Why is it, then, that UF and TAMU were such good teams before we played them and are now suddenly trash? Some of you, and you know who you are, despise Butch Jones so much, for whatever reason, that you have already decided that this team you claim to pull for is garbage. Hence, everything they do positively on the field must be the result of deficiencies in the other team's play.

You'll have your work cut out for you next week. Discrediting UT's win over Alabama will require logical hoop-jumping the likes of which we haven't seen yet. Go Big Orange.
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I guess it's nega's believing the sports media narrative that we aren't good. So since we were in a position to possibly win especially with the injuries and turnovers going against us, the Aggies must really suck.
 
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The same ones saying that UF and TAMU are bad teams are the same ones that said teams like Northwestern and VT were trash after we beat them. The sad fact is some people just dont like Butch Jones and his coaching staff. And regardless of what he does at Tennessee, he will always be seen as a second rate coach.
 
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FightingScott said:
A quick observation...

Before the UF game, folks were saying they'd blow us out. Tennessee came back from a 21-point deficit to win with relative ease after a dominant second half. They escaped vs. UGA thanks to making just enough plays. Then the talk was all about TAMU being the superior team. Most of the more cynical posters on here seemed to doubt that UT could even play with A&M. Had any of us, sunshine-pumpers, negas, and everyone in between, been told that UT would turn the ball over seven times, we would probably have expected a massacre. That obviously did not happen.

Why is it, then, that UF and TAMU were such good teams before we played them and are now suddenly trash? Some of you, and you know who you are, despise Butch Jones so much, for whatever reason, that you have already decided that this team you claim to pull for is garbage. Hence, everything they do positively on the field must be the result of deficiencies in the other team's play.

You'll have your work cut out for you next week. Discrediting UT's win over Alabama will require logical hoop-jumping the likes of which we haven't seen yet. Go Big Orange.
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I keep trying to think why people keep trashing our opponents op. Here is one thought on that.

Quarterback performance of the opposing team. While not one position defines a squad, the QB as we all know gives a team much of its identity. We as Tennessee fans are comparing the performance of the other team via an oversimplification of simply comparing QB performance of our team vs theirs. I would say appleby and knight are inferior when compared to dobbs for the most part. We see a terribly thrown passes by knight and immediately jump to conclusions about the entire squad.

I think it has more to do with how we compare just the QB position, and oversimplifying the comparison of our squad with another and then labeling he other as garbage.
 
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Simple, name a team that turns the ball over 7 times (3 redzone turnovers), ties the game, and forces double OT? NO ONE! Consider that pal!

We beat ourselves plain and simple!
 
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Bama may be the number one team now, but just wait until we beat Bama next week to see just how much they suck then.
 
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volnal said:
Simple, name a team that turns the ball over 7 times (3 redzone turnovers), ties the game, and forces double OT? NO ONE! Consider that pal!

We beat ourselves plain and simple!
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We certainly did. Would it be so terrifically off base to say that maybe UT is just that good? :hi:
 
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If would of told me it would of took AM 7 turnovers and double OT to beat us I would of called u crazy
 
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FightingScott said:
A quick observation...

Before the UF game, folks were saying they'd blow us out. Tennessee came back from a 21-point deficit to win with relative ease after a dominant second half. They escaped vs. UGA thanks to making just enough plays. Then the talk was all about TAMU being the superior team. Most of the more cynical posters on here seemed to doubt that UT could even play with A&M. Had any of us, sunshine-pumpers, negas, and everyone in between, been told that UT would turn the ball over seven times, we would probably have expected a massacre. That obviously did not happen.

Why is it, then, that UF and TAMU were such good teams before we played them and are now suddenly trash? Some of you, and you know who you are, despise Butch Jones so much, for whatever reason, that you have already decided that this team you claim to pull for is garbage. Hence, everything they do positively on the field must be the result of deficiencies in the other team's play.

You'll have your work cut out for you next week. Discrediting UT's win over Alabama will require logical hoop-jumping the likes of which we haven't seen yet. Go Big Orange.
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I still think UF isn't a very good team. They aren't trash, but without Del Rio they aren't nearly as good.

Georgia is on the rise. By the end of the season I think they'll show they were better than they showed early in the season.

TAMU is pretty good. I don't think they're better than Alabama but they're the solid #2 in the West. If we had been a full strength we probably win, assuming we didn't still turn the ball over left and right.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I still think UF isn't a very good team. They aren't trash, but without Del Rio they aren't nearly as good.

Georgia is on the rise. By the end of the season I think they'll show they were better than they showed early in the season.

TAMU is pretty good. I don't think they're better than Alabama but they're the solid #2 in the West. If we had been a full strength we probably win, assuming we didn't still turn the ball over left and right.
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Only one of those conditions would have had to be met for UT to win, not both. Take away the turnovers and it's a multiple TD win, in spite of injuries.
 
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OP, I believe the issue with Butch Jones is that he has a tendency to play conservative football. We are then seeing Saban, Meyer, and Harbaugh running up the score on opponents whenever they get a chance.

While yesterday was not the fault of Butch he did decide to concede the first half. He did so by allowing the last few seconds to expire without running a play.

Now in the 2nd OT our first down call was aggressive and I liked it. Dobbs tried to make a play when there wasn't one there to be made.

I am proud of how hard our team fought back to have a chance to win that game. TAMU made us pay for our mistakes by turning turnovers into points. With a little better ball security we win that game going away.

One loss in a hard fought competitive game against a quality opponent on the road will not shake my faith in this team. Nor will it diminish the season. Butch is building something special here. He loves Tennessee and bleeds orange. Even if we lose the next game against Bama, as long as we win out the season is a success in my book.

:hi::rock::)
 
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I think TN plays ugly at the beginning which puts a bias in people's heads that they are a bad team then they win so the other team must not be that good because a bad TN team beat them.
 
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jlindsa4 said:
I keep trying to think why people keep trashing our opponents op. Here is one thought on that.

Quarterback performance of the opposing team. While not one position defines a squad, the QB as we all know gives a team much of its identity. We as Tennessee fans are comparing the performance of the other team via an oversimplification of simply comparing QB performance of our team vs theirs. I would say appleby and knight are inferior when compared to dobbs for the most part. We see a terribly thrown passes by knight and immediately jump to conclusions about the entire squad.

I think it has more to do with how we compare just the QB position, and oversimplifying the comparison of our squad with another and then labeling he other as garbage.
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I think there's a lot of truth to that. In fact, games that turn out to be defensive struggles are called "ugly" among other things because flashy offense and gaudy scores are the things that attract these days. That obviously means the QB gets a lot of attention. Considering SEC actually plays defense, it's no wonder the SEC by definition has no good QBs.

Look at the evolution of the rules that benefit offenses. Defenses are guilty of targeting and facemasks; but look at the comparable stiffarms and lowered heads that offenses get away with - protecting players is not a one way street - protect both not one or the other if you want to imply player safety is the objective. Holding has apparently become an art form designed to give the offense an edge. Maybe the penalty will have to be renamed so that we don't have to redefine a common word because "holding" apparently doesn't mean latched on for dear life. And pass interference - where do you even start with that one.
 
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A lot of the bias against those teams has originated in the media's opinions.

We did not drop much in the new SEC Power ratings from ESPN, only one spot.

They do not think A&M is a crap team, but they really gave UT props for the near comeback.

Also Va Tech is really coming on.

The media sees these facts, and it will trickle down to the UT fans.

UT fans, for the most part, simply follow the national media.
 
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Who said TAMU is suddenly a trash team? Fans or media or somebody else?

I thought we played a very talented, top 10 team yesterday, and despite some undisciplined play, took about as good a loss as I've ever seen at Tennessee.
 
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KBVol said:
Who said TAMU is suddenly a trash team? Fans or media or somebody else?

I thought we played a very talented, top 10 team yesterday, and despite some undisciplined play, took about as good a loss as I've ever seen at Tennessee.
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Fans on this board. Since UT's offense obviously can't be any good, they assume that A&M's defense, in particular, was grossly overrated.
 
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Ole miss tamu game will be very telling, its very close but I feel like tamu is 3rd best in west and Ole miss is as scary a team as there is with 2 losses!
 
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volnal said:
Simple, name a team that turns the ball over 7 times (3 redzone turnovers), ties the game, and forces double OT? NO ONE! Consider that pal!

We beat ourselves plain and simple!
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First of all, I was at the game and am very complimentary of your traveling fans. Very polite and loud for a visiting group. You represented your team well.

That said, I have never seen a message board community take a more one-sided view on things than this one (we beat A&M, we had 7 turnovers, refs suck, they got lucky, we still took them to 2OT). And we are a trash team.

Y'all give A&M zero credit for both their play and their mistakes. A&M gets the ball back with 44 seconds and gets the ball into a makeable FG position and our kicker shanks it or it never even gets to a first OT. Our RB torches your defense and fumbles into the EZ on a 65 yard touchdown run. Our Punter gets run into 3 TIMES and not even one running into the kicker penalty. We turned it over 3 times ourselves and kicked the ball out of bounds after our last TD in regulation to give you the ball on the 35 yard line etc. etc. etc.

Also, some of the 7 turnovers were due to the A&M defense making some plays.

Trash teams don't show the resilience it took to beat y'all despite OUR mistakes too.

I considered it a great college football game between two deserving top 10 teams. Y'alls team of destiny luck ran out and we didn't gag it away at the end. This doesnt make either team a bad team.

We made one more play than y'all and thats how it goes in the SEC. Could have gone either way if one team or the other had made one less mistake or one less play.

Good luck the rest of the way. Beat Bama
 
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First of all, I was at the game and am very complimentary of your traveling fans. Very polite and loud for a visiting group. You represented your team well.

That said, I have never seen a message board community take a more one-sided view on things than this one (we beat A&M, we had 7 turnovers, refs suck, they got lucky, we still took them to 2OT). And we are a trash team.

Y'all give A&M zero credit for both their play and their mistakes. A&M gets the ball back with 44 seconds and gets the ball into a makeable FG position and our kicker shanks it or it never even gets to a first OT. Our RB torches your defense and fumbles into the EZ on a 65 yard touchdown run. Our Punter gets run into 3 TIMES and not even one running into the kicker penalty. We turned it over 3 times ourselves and kicked the ball out of bounds after our last TD in regulation to give you the ball on the 35 yard line etc. etc. etc.

Also, some of the 7 turnovers were due to the A&M defense making some plays.

Trash teams don't show the resilience it took to beat y'all despite OUR mistakes too.

I considered it a great college football game between two deserving top 10 teams. Y'alls team of destiny luck ran out and we didn't gag it away at the end. This doesnt make either team a bad team.

We made one more play than y'all and thats how it goes in the SEC. Could have gone either way if one team or the other had made one less mistake or one less play.

Good luck the rest of the way. Beat Bama
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You are mostly right. The running into the kicker thing is garbage though. One of those times it was your own player. You might could argue one of them. #12 should have been ejected for targeting on the Evan Berry fumble. He launched himself and made contact with a facemask. He got what was coming to him on the targeting call from Warrior. It was well deserved. Not to mention the PF on Bates for blocking him through the end of the play. Your LT jumped early more often than not. You guys legitimately have no right to complain about the refs.

Additionally, I'm still not convinced that Dobbs arm wasn't going forward on that first fumble.
 
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Ag87# said:
First of all, I was at the game and am very complimentary of your traveling fans. Very polite and loud for a visiting group. You represented your team well.

That said, I have never seen a message board community take a more one-sided view on things than this one (we beat A&M, we had 7 turnovers, refs suck, they got lucky, we still took them to 2OT). And we are a trash team.

Y'all give A&M zero credit for both their play and their mistakes. A&M gets the ball back with 44 seconds and gets the ball into a makeable FG position and our kicker shanks it or it never even gets to a first OT. Our RB torches your defense and fumbles into the EZ on a 65 yard touchdown run. Our Punter gets run into 3 TIMES and not even one running into the kicker penalty. We turned it over 3 times ourselves and kicked the ball out of bounds after our last TD in regulation to give you the ball on the 35 yard line etc. etc. etc.

Also, some of the 7 turnovers were due to the A&M defense making some plays.

Trash teams don't show the resilience it took to beat y'all despite OUR mistakes too.

I considered it a great college football game between two deserving top 10 teams. Y'alls team of destiny luck ran out and we didn't gag it away at the end. This doesnt make either team a bad team.

We made one more play than y'all and thats how it goes in the SEC. Could have gone either way if one team or the other had made one less mistake or one less play.

Good luck the rest of the way. Beat Bama
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Thanks, but you are full of **** on you'r whiny ass punter gettin ran into 3 times. The first time he barley got bumped and flopped like fish. The second time you'r own damn lineman got pushed back into him, and the 3rd time, I didn't even pay any attention to, because it was pretty obvious by then that he was just a puss tryin to get a call go his way.
 
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A&M isn't garbage. But ignoring our sloppy play, and not putting it squarely on the coaching staff is. Turnovers, penalties, willpower, fight, motivation.....all of these belong to the coaches.
 
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