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On national TV. SEC nation...said they were 8 and 5 last season with a couple of blowout losses and then got hammered in the bowl game.

The national media sees that TCU and Baylor are taking the reigns from oklahoma and Texas. Which are 2 schools that rely on Texas for their top talent.

Gonna be tough for the old guard to recruit Texas when Texas is the 3rd or 4th best team in the state and oklahoma is an "also ran" in the same conference. Not to mention aTm. Offering the same kids a chance to gain the exposure of playing in the SEC instead of the big12 (now 10)

Welcome to the new reality sooners.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
On national TV. SEC nation...said they were 8 and 5 last season with a couple of blowout losses and then got hammered in the bowl game.

The national media sees that TCU and Baylor are taking the reigns from oklahoma and Texas. Which are 2 schools that rely on Texas for their top talent.

Gonna be tough for the old guard to recruit Texas when Texas is the 3rd or 4th best team in the state and oklahoma is an "also ran" in the same conference. Not to mention aTm. Offering the same kids a chance to gain the exposure of playing in the SEC instead of the big12 (now 10)

Welcome to the new reality sooners.
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Thanks for the update, Mack Brown. Lots of schools recruit in TX. That's not a secret. Every dog has it's daiy. Briles is doing a great job at Baylor, Same for Patterson at TCU and Sumlin at aTm.

Here's where it will eventually bite people in the ass. Kids want to play. Kids want to play in the NFL. Loading a roster with studs will only make other studs go to other schools to get playing time. If you really want parity in college football, lower the amount of schollys each school is allowed to give and spread the wealth.
 
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BudBarry said:
Thanks for the update, Mack Brown. Lots of schools recruit in TX. That's not a secret. Every dog has it's daiy. Briles is doing a great job at Baylor, Same for Patterson at TCU and Sumlin at aTm.

Here's where it will eventually bite people in the ass. Kids want to play. Kids want to play in the NFL. Loading a roster with studs will only make other studs go to other schools to get playing time. If you really want parity in college football, lower the amount of schollys each school is allowed to give and spread the wealth.
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Have you told Nick Saban that recently? He seems just fine reloading every recruiting cycle. Same for a couple others Ohio State, Florida State, etc...

They want to play. But they also want to win.
 
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BudBarry said:
Thanks for the update, Mack Brown. Lots of schools recruit in TX. That's not a secret. Every dog has it's daiy. Briles is doing a great job at Baylor, Same for Patterson at TCU and Sumlin at aTm.

Here's where it will eventually bite people in the ass. Kids want to play. Kids want to play in the NFL. Loading a roster with studs will only make other studs go to other schools to get playing time. If you really want parity in college football, lower the amount of schollys each school is allowed to give and spread the wealth.
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The only way to have enough depth to get to the 4 team playoff is to load up class after class.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
On national TV. SEC nation...said they were 8 and 5 last season with a couple of blowout losses and then got hammered in the bowl game.

The national media sees that TCU and Baylor are taking the reigns from oklahoma and Texas. Which are 2 schools that rely on Texas for their top talent.

Gonna be tough for the old guard to recruit Texas when Texas is the 3rd or 4th best team in the state and oklahoma is an "also ran" in the same conference. Not to mention aTm. Offering the same kids a chance to gain the exposure of playing in the SEC instead of the big12 (now 10)

Welcome to the new reality sooners.
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And a jackass
 
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It reminds me of the days when CPF was snagging the best of the best out of Florida, Georgia and other states because of the performance of those teams, the playing field in the Big 12 is leveling out and Texas is taking the biggest hits. CBJ however, has figured out that Tennessee is starting to produce some top shelf talent in Nashville and his staff are plucking some quality players from the other states, I know this is not news, but all conferences are starting to see players going to the non-traditional schools and in turn those teams are on the rise.
 
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Hayezb said:
Have you told Nick Saban that recently? He seems just fine reloading every recruiting cycle. Same for a couple others Ohio State, Florida State, etc...

They want to play. But they also want to win.[/QUOTE]

Ya think? Reloading every recruiting cycle doesn't guarantee jack. Here's the deal. Grab some 4-5*, sprinkle in some 3* and what do you get? Logic says a playoff contender. Load up with 3*, sprinkle in some 4-5* and what do you get? Logic says playoff pretender. I say that a team can recruit 3* level talent all day long and still be a playoff contender. So, I will pose this question to Vol fans. If Butch does well in the recruiting process but fails to produce a contender, what's the verdict? Successful coach at UT? Bust? Point here is, coaching has a hell lot to do with producing a product on the field that will be a contender. Don't get all caught up in the recruiting stuff (it does matter) because at the end of the day, what happened to the product.
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And let me add, not all talent comes out of Texas
Billy Vessels 0K Heisman winner
Steve Owens OK Heisman winner
Jason White OK Heisman winner (although he couldn't outrun my grandmother even if both her feet were bound and she was racing in a sack. But I give the boy his moxey, he had 2 surgically repaired knees and still kept going)
Sam Bradford OK Heisman winner

I only name these four as we could go with the AA's as well. So could TN. My point is, there's always a diamond in the rough out there.
 
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BigBadVol said:
I find it hilarious that some don't think recruiting matters.
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I believe recruiting matters. It's what happens to those after they are recruited. Hell, if you are going to go by the theory that recruiting alone will make a team the best, then Jones doesn't have a thing to worry about, no? Which is why I posed the question in earlier post.
 
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carlos86 said:
College football today is 80% recruiting and 20% coaching. CBJ needs 1 more top 10-5 class.
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That is one of the most incorrect statements I've read on here today.. Look at the success of Texas, Oklahoma, USC in the last 3-4 years, they've all had stunning recruiting classes in that time frame. Your comment has to be a joke..
 
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carlos86 said:
College football today is 80% recruiting and 20% coaching. CBJ needs 1 more top 10-5 class.
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Yes, it's about the Jimmy's and the Joe's. But why do teams that win (maybe not NC's) but win consistently not have all the top recruits. Why do schools like Applachia State thump on Michigan? Chris Peterson at Boise didn't win a NC with his recruits (who were mostly overlooked by Power 5 conf. schools) but have 17 players in the NFL.

recruits are grapes. recruiters are farmers. coaches are winemakers.

Coaching is more than 20%.
 
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iKrager said:
That is one of the most incorrect statements I've read on here today.. Look at the success of Texas, Oklahoma, USC in the last 3-4 years, they've all had stunning recruiting classes in that time frame. Your comment has to be a joke..
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Their play calling hasn't been all that. They all lacked the 20%
 
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BudBarry said:
Yes, it's about the Jimmy's and the Joe's. But why do teams that win (maybe not NC's) but win consistently not have all the top recruits. Why do schools like Applachia State thump on Michigan? Chris Peterson at Boise didn't win a NC with his recruits (who were mostly overlooked by Power 5 conf. schools) but have 17 players in the NFL.

recruits are grapes. recruiters are farmers. coaches are winemakers.

Coaching is more than 20%.
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They win because of their system and talent evaluation.
 
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carlos86 said:
They win because of their system and talent evaluation.
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So...Applying this logic to current TN staff, if TN doesn't win the SEC in the next two years, the system Jones has in place and the evaluation process will have sucked? Is that a correct assessment of your statement? Don't back down now.
 
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Finebaum hasn't ever liked Stoops because of the crap he spouts about the SEC, but that wouldn't have stopped him from picking Oklahoma over the Vols today if he thought they would win. i was prepared to watch him pick the Sooners and was surprised he didn't.
 
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BudBarry said:
I believe recruiting matters. It's what happens to those after they are recruited. Hell, if you are going to go by the theory that recruiting alone will make a team the best, then Jones doesn't have a thing to worry about, no? Which is why I posed the question in earlier post.
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You can be the best coach in history and if the teams line up and your guy can't beat my guy, I win.
On the other side of the coin, you can be a horrible coach, but if your team is nothing but 5* players, you are still going to win a lot of games.

Yes coaching matters, but not as much as the talent level. A 5'8" 200lb kid is not going to be able to compete with a 6'5" 250lb monster.
 
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BudBarry said:
So...Applying this logic to current TN staff, if TN doesn't win the SEC in the next two years, the system Jones has in place and the evaluation process will have sucked? Is that a correct assessment of your statement? Don't back down now.
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The system CBJ runs works. It will work better with DeBord's inclusion of power football schemes. I expect Tennessee to compete for the SEC Championship within the next 2 years. CBJ and staff talent evaluation hasn't been bad. They have actually went and found diamonds in the ruff type players. Players like Von Pearson who no one in college football knew existed but CBJ and staff found him and offered him first and he has turned out to be a stud receiver. The only evaluation I question is Blair.
 
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