Ol' Meyer is at it again....

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ESPN - Florida lineman suspended for upcoming season - College Football

Wilson fired a gun in the air and got a 1 year suspension. He was a red-shirt last year.

James bought marijuana with a basketball player and was suspended 1 game. He is one of their best return men.

hmm...:whistling:

I can see a big suspension for firing a gun in the air..that's just stupid, but maybe not a year for that...but wait, he's a nobody. James, however, is gonna be needed for the UT game, so he'll only get a 1 game suspension. They may as well be sitting him so that he doesn't get too tired before us :ermm:. I guess that Wilson took the fall so that Meyer looked like some tough punisher, while James could slip by and continue to play.
 
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How much marijuana was involved? Misdemeanor amount or felony amount? Is James claiming innocence and fighting the charges? There are a lot of variables involved.
 
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.8 grams i believe.......$20.......according to the article posted in the other thread if memory serves.
 
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hmm. well, one of those acts certainly seems to be much more dangerous than the other. on a side note, were it not for the Iraq War I really think ending all or part of the war on drugs would be a mainstream issue in the 2008 presidential election.
 
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The thing is, James was caught in a sting operation. And buying marijuana means he was 99.9% going to smoke it. Failing a drug test would warrant more than a 1 game suspension, wouldn't it?
 
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jwells said:
The thing is, James was caught in a sting operation. And buying marijuana means he was 99.9% going to smoke it. Failing a drug test would warrant more than a 1 game suspension, wouldn't it?
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No.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No.
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Failing a drug test is only a 1 game suspension? How many until someone is kicked off? All I'm saying is that I think the Wilson character was thrown under the bus, while James got off with a slap on the wrist. Both are misdemeanors, right?
 
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jwells said:
Failing a drug test is only a 1 game suspension? How many until someone is kicked off? All I'm saying is that I think the Wilson character was thrown under the bus, while James got off with a slap on the wrist. Both are misdemeanors, right?
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I don't care about misdemeanor versus felony label. James had some pot on him and is suspended for a game and subject now to multpiple random drug tests. He got his second chance and if he blows it he needs to be dealt with much more severely at that time. See the other thread on this topic for more on that.

Wilson fired a gun, in anger, during a confrontation with another guy. He should be off the team for good, period. He does not deserve a second chance. It matters not to me whether it is a misdemeanor or a felony. I don't want him anywhere near the U of F and if it were up to me there would be no second chance for that offense.


Bassmanbruno said:
Umm... Yes. :no:
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Someone merge this with the other Urban Meyer thread, please. Getting redundant.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't care about misdemeanor versus felony label. James had some pot on him and is suspended for a game and subject now to multpiple random drug tests. He got his second chance and if he blows it he needs to be dealt with much more severely at that time. See the other thread on this topic for more on that.

Wilson fired a gun, in anger, during a confrontation with another guy. He should be off the team for good, period. He does not deserve a second chance. It matters not to me whether it is a misdemeanor or a felony. I don't want him anywhere near the U of F and if it were up to me there would be no second chance for that offense.




Someone merge this with the other Urban Meyer thread, please. Getting redundant.
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Very reasonable. James Banks was given that opportunity.....twice.
 
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Lexvol said:
Very reasonable. James Banks was given that opportunity.....twice.
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I don't see why everyone is so big on giving a ton of chances. If they've been caught once, how many times did they get away with it?
 
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jwells said:
I don't see why everyone is so big on giving a ton of chances. If they've been caught once, how many times did they get away with it?
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The debate to me as between James and Wilson is not about number of chances, its about severity of offense. Having a tiny amount of pot is not a good thing. Its criminal. But its not a major offense or threat to life or property. Firing a frickin rifle into the air to scare a guy during a confrontation is only slightly less dangerous than actually firing it at the guy. If he hit the guy or fired in his direction, there is no question but that Wilson would be in prison and not worrying about whether he can try to get on the team in '08. I think what he did is close enough that even if he avoids prison he still should not be in a Gator uniform.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The debate to me as between James and Wilson is not about number of chances, its about severity of offense. Having a tiny amount of pot is not a good thing. Its criminal. But its not a major offense or threat to life or property. Firing a frickin rifle into the air to scare a guy during a confrontation is only slightly less dangerous than actually firing it at the guy. If he hit the guy or fired in his direction, there is no question but that Wilson would be in prison and not worrying about whether he can try to get on the team in '08. I think what he did is close enough that even if he avoids prison he still should not be in a Gator uniform.
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I agree that firing a gun in the air is bad, but I don't think theres as big of a difference, punishment wise. 13 games compared to 1....I'd have given James a 3 game punishment, minimum.
 
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jwells said:
I agree that firing a gun in the air is bad, but I don't think theres as big of a difference, punishment wise. 13 games compared to 1....I'd have given James a 3 game punishment, minimum.
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Well, luckily for us you aren't the coach at UF.
 
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I have really bad news for fans of college sports. If you removed all players who smoked pot, you would be left with very little product.
 
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Lexvol said:
I have really bad news for fans of college sports. If you removed all players for smoking pot, you would be left with very little product.
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Personally, I could not care less who does smoke. It is not like it is a performance enhancer.
 
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vader said:
Personally, I could not care less who does smoke. It is not like it is a performance enhancer.
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But it shows that they can't follow the rules. Unfortunately most players don't care to smoke it up, including here at UT...important players, too. I don't understand how anyone could be that stupid.
 
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jwells said:
But it shows that they can't follow the rules. Unfortunately most players don't care to smoke it up, including here at UT...important players, too. I don't understand how anyone could be that stupid.
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Then you must not know many people and go to a church that emphasizes perfection, of which there is none.
 
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Smoking pot can lead to stupid things - such as firing a gun into the air during an argument.. :hi:

And what's with the second and third chances? Pre-2005 that's what Fulmer gave and it earned us a bad rep that has still stuck with us through 05-07... it only will lead to bad things - period.

Funny thing is - some morons think UT has become even more "Thug U" because of all the recent players getting big suspensions or being kicked off from the team - But what it means is that our coach is atleast dealing with the problem... Unlike some people... heh who choose to give out 1/2 game suspensions or 1-game suspensions right before they play a cupcake team.
 
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We should all shut up and be happy that the NCAA does not have mandatory sentences. In the age of the "Campus Policeman" out to make a name for him or herself, selective punishment will always rule.

Just keep in mind that these guys used to run stadium steps, but in the public eye things are much different.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Then you must not know many people and go to a church that emphasizes perfection, of which there is none.
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Oops, I should have put and, not to. I meant to say that most players don't care about the rules, and just smoke it up all the time. My bad on the typo.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Then you must not know many people and go to a church that emphasizes perfection, of which there is none.
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You don't have to be perfect to not smoke weed. I'm extremely far from perfect but I've never done drugs. It's actually pretty easy to avoid particpating in activities that could put you in jail:hi:
 
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IBleedOrange said:
You don't have to be perfect to not smoke weed. I'm extremely far from perfect but I've never done drugs. It's actually pretty easy to avoid particpating in activities that could put you in jail:hi:
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My point simply was that in my mind there is an enormous quantitative difference between possession of a tiny amount of marijuana versus firing an assault weapon during an altercation.

I personally feel that a one game suspension for a first offense marijuana possession is reasonable. Some would argue for 2 or 3 games and if that had been the punishment I would have also thought that reasonable.

I am unhappy with the one year suspension for firing a gun. I do think that is unreasonably light.
 
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