OK State vs. TN

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Wanted to pose this question in this forum where the recruitnics reside. We all love our recruiting class both for ranking and needs filled. Looking at OK State over the last three years they have averaged around the 30th ranked class in the country. Their record over that time is quite good with that talent. Just a bad Big XII or something more to it? The consensus is that a couple of years of top classes and we can be a top 10 team again, but OK State is already there with their current talent. Thoughts?
 
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Yes Big 12 is severely weaker than the SEC. But Okie St hasn't tried to be something they aren't. They have recruited to their system and its worked. I firmly believe had they joined SEC when Mizzou & A&M did, they would be about 6-9 win program year in and out. Nothing more, nothing less. Not elite but not terrible.
 
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I admire what Gundy has done there. He'll always be little brother in the state. And he's clearly done more than less than Mack Brown, and IMO Stoops. Atleast the past few years he has. With that being said, Oklahoma and Texas are clearly on the decline. If he were in the SEC he could win off of his coaching ability imo. The question is how he would recruit.
 
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99bubble said:
You think they beat GA or Mizzou or FL even at full strength.
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Maybe. They've had the same system for years. We've had 4 systems in 5 years. People sometimes forget just how important stability is to a program (in general, not aimed at you). I mean theybe also kept all those players as well, where we have lost a lost due to attrition among other things. The WORST thing that we could do is have a short leash for Jones (unless it just gets ugly, which I don't see happening). Gundy has been great, but plays watered down defenses for the most part. OK St may have beaten UGA, but Mizzou would have mopped the floor with them imo
 
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wU-Tang Vol said:
Maybe. They've had the same system for years. We've had 4 systems in 5 years. People sometimes forget just how important stability is to a program (in general, not aimed at you). I mean theybe also kept all those players as well, where we have lost a lost due to attrition among other things. The WORST thing that we could do is have a short leash for Jones (unless it just gets ugly, which I don't see happening). Gundy has been great, but plays watered down defenses for the most part. OK St may have beaten UGA, but Mizzou would have mopped the floor with them imo
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All of this.
 
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No comparison. Ok state has a weak schedule. Hardest games are texas tech, texas, Baylor, and Oklahoma. Those 4 are the last 5 games on their schedule. And they've got a pretty good HC, with a staff that has been together a while. I hope we can keep this staff long enough to see their process. Long enough to see them recruit the right players for their system. I do believe the recruiting rankings (recruits are ranked for a reason), but it's also equally important to recruit for your style of play. Ok state does this, and hasn't been through coaching hell.
 
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wU-Tang Vol said:
Maybe. They've had the same system for years. We've had 4 systems in 5 years. People sometimes forget just how important stability is to a program (in general, not aimed at you). I mean theybe also kept all those players as well, where we have lost a lost due to attrition among other things. The WORST thing that we could do is have a short leash for Jones (unless it just gets ugly, which I don't see happening). Gundy has been great, but plays watered down defenses for the most part. OK St may have beaten UGA, but Mizzou would have mopped the floor with them imo
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Okie State isn't elite though - they lost to WVU (4-7) in Morgantown this year.

Today's game vs Baylor should be interesting - I think Baylor wins big (20+ pts)
 
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ajvol01 said:
Okie State isn't elite though - they lost to WVU (4-7) in Morgantown this year.

Today's game vs Baylor should be interesting - I think Baylor wins big (20+ pts)
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Interesting. I don't view them as elite either. I actually view them as being on the same tier as a WVU.
 
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wU-Tang Vol said:
Maybe. They've had the same system for years. We've had 4 systems in 5 years. People sometimes forget just how important stability is to a program (in general, not aimed at you). I mean theybe also kept all those players as well, where we have lost a lost due to attrition among other things. The WORST thing that we could do is have a short leash for Jones (unless it just gets ugly, which I don't see happening). Gundy has been great, but plays watered down defenses for the most part. OK St may havebeaten UGA, but Mizzou would have
mopped the floor with them imo
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Gospel!
 
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A lot of " good" teams would be 4-6 with Tennessees schedule. I'm not saying Tennessee is good but some people aren't as good as their record makes them think they are
 
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Mizzou would have gone undefeated in the big 12 this year unless A&M were also still in the big 12. They're both going to have 2-3 losses in the SEC this year.
 
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99bubble said:
Wanted to pose this question in this forum where the recruitnics reside. We all love our recruiting class both for ranking and needs filled. Looking at OK State over the last three years they have averaged around the 30th ranked class in the country. Their record over that time is quite good with that talent. Just a bad Big XII or something more to it? The consensus is that a couple of years of top classes and we can be a top 10 team again, but OK State is already there with their current talent. Thoughts?
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You are not accounting for the lag time. This year's team is led by seniors and redshirt juniors recruited prior to the classes you cite. You need to look at the three years prior to that to project on field performance over the last three years. I haven't checked, but I would bet OK St had higher ranked classes previously. Also, OK St has been slipping a bit lately.
 
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Bill Parcells was wrong. You aren't always what your record says you are. Ohio State proves that to be false.
 
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The difference, in a word, is attrition. Many of the players who bolstered our recruiting rankings didn't stick around long.

In 2009, none of the top recruits stuck around long. We lost Montori Hughes, NuKeese Richardson, Bryce Brown, David Oku, Janzen Jackson, and Jerod Askew all within 2 years.


In the 2010 class we had Ted Meline, Matt Milton, Edrick loften, Da'rick, Marques Dixon, and Martaze Jackson all last not longer than two years. Additionally Bray and Hunter only stuck around 3 years.

In 2011, we had DeAnthony Arnett, Patrick Martin, and Cam Clear all leave within 2 years.

In 2012 we had Dante Phillips, Trent Taylor, Deion Bonner, Davante Bourque, Daniel Gray, and Darrington Sentimore all leaver after one season. CP also went to the NFL.


So by my count, we had at least 20 of our top recruits since 2010 last no more than 2 seasons. Additionally, the three most successful players we've had in that time frame left early for the NFL.

As a result, the good players we've had who did stick around have been thrown to the fire instead of eased into the most competitive conference in college football.

We've simply had no opportunity to build the type of depth a team needs to be truly competitive. The seasons we've fielded teams that have some of the pieces needed to be competitive, those teams have been 1-2 key injuries away from not being competitive because of the lack of depth.
 
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Give us 4 to 5 years of Butch Ball and Butch recruiting and see where we are. Oh, I forgot to add, player development in the same intense system.
 
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Not necessarily relevant to this thread, but Ohio State would 6-6 to 7-5 at best with our schedule this year IMO. Just amazes me how people overlook the competition they play in Big 10 land.
 
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wU-Tang Vol said:
Maybe. They've had the same system for years. We've had 4 systems in 5 years. People sometimes forget just how important stability is to a program (in general, not aimed at you). I mean theybe also kept all those players as well, where we have lost a lost due to attrition among other things. The WORST thing that we could do is have a short leash for Jones (unless it just gets ugly, which I don't see happening). Gundy has been great, but plays watered down defenses for the most part. OK St may have beaten UGA, but Mizzou would have mopped the floor with them imo
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