Official's Review

[byobbio]

OK, i have waited several days to post this so that I could get my thoughts straight and make sure that my emotions are not over the top like the hours following the game.

I have always disagreed with allowing the cameras dictate the outcome of the games and allow the overturning of rulings on the field. Now, I am completely beside myself after this past call allowing two seconds be put back on the clock.

I would like others's thoughts on this issue.

Now mine. I think the officials on the field have the best view, they can hear contact, they know the flow of the game, they understand what their job is and they dang near always get the call right. In some cases, the calls are incorrect as indicated by film. But, the fact that there are some calls that tend to go against one team, will usually work itself out later in the game as either a makeup call or just human error.

I think by introducing the video review, it has taken away a good portion of the integrity of the game. It has ruined it and has lessened the quality of the game as well.

Now, a big case in point involves the call at the end of the first half of the TN/VT game. After every first down, there are several seconds that run off the clock before the official is able to blow the whistle and signal for the clock to stop. None of those plays were reviewed. However, when a "big play" or a time when it could greatly affect the outcome of the game, the video review allowed 2 seconds to be put back on the clock as we all know. This, in my opinion, is wrong and crooked. It is criminal. The rest of the game was played without reviewing the 2 seconds as well.

How many times does this have to happen until somebody or some coach sues the NCAA for criminal activity. This is wrong. Granted, i am a big TN fan. But, you just cannot look at the clock and make a call different than every other similar play in the game because it is not precisely correct.

I think the piss-poor officiating is the result of the video review. I think it has diminished somewhat the enjoyability of the games. I think it has made the networks to enforce the out-of-bounds clock to keep running, thus giving us fans less football to watch in the same time period.

Again, I think video review is criminal.

I would like to hear others' opinions as I am beside myself as to why we as fans continue to let this crap take place.

Thoughts?

 

[joey-nac]

I didnt like it either...and I definately didnt think there should have been 2 seconds put back on the clock maybe one though. But this is the rule and I dont think that it was anything criminal or anything that was done intentionally to hurt the vols.

 

[matts42012]

I agree. There are should be replay, but that was a time where it did not work out good.

 

[Mr_Henley]

I like the NFL system. Only let the booth review plays that occur with less than 2 minutes remaining in either half. Otherwise, let the human referees make judgement on calls, and if a coach disagrees, THROW YOUR FLAG. Why do they give collegiate coaches 2 "coaches challenges" if every play is reviewed? It's simply a way to bail out bad officiating and I do believe is bad for the sport, and absolutely crushes any flow or energy in a game. Just my 2 cents.

I really have no opinion on the UT-VT call at the end of the 1st half. I was in attendance, and had no idea what was going on. It was chaos that never was explained to us at the time by the officials.

 

[BleedinOrange98]

OK, i have waited several days to post this so that I could get my thoughts straight and make sure that my emotions are not over the top like the hours following the game.

I have always disagreed with allowing the cameras dictate the outcome of the games and allow the overturning of rulings on the field. Now, I am completely beside myself after this past call allowing two seconds be put back on the clock.

I would like others's thoughts on this issue.

Now mine. I think the officials on the field have the best view, they can hear contact, they know the flow of the game, they understand what their job is and they dang near always get the call right. In some cases, the calls are incorrect as indicated by film. But, the fact that there are some calls that tend to go against one team, will usually work itself out later in the game as either a makeup call or just human error.

I think by introducing the video review, it has taken away a good portion of the integrity of the game. It has ruined it and has lessened the quality of the game as well.

Now, a big case in point involves the call at the end of the first half of the TN/VT game. After every first down, there are several seconds that run off the clock before the official is able to blow the whistle and signal for the clock to stop. None of those plays were reviewed. However, when a "big play" or a time when it could greatly affect the outcome of the game, the video review allowed 2 seconds to be put back on the clock as we all know. This, in my opinion, is wrong and crooked. It is criminal. The rest of the game was played without reviewing the 2 seconds as well.

How many times does this have to happen until somebody or some coach sues the NCAA for criminal activity. This is wrong. Granted, i am a big TN fan. But, you just cannot look at the clock and make a call different than every other similar play in the game because it is not precisely correct.

I think the piss-poor officiating is the result of the video review. I think it has diminished somewhat the enjoyability of the games. I think it has made the networks to enforce the out-of-bounds clock to keep running, thus giving us fans less football to watch in the same time period.

Again, I think video review is criminal.

I would like to hear others' opinions as I am beside myself as to why we as fans continue to let this crap take place.

Thoughts?

Amen brother. I was pissed as haites after that bs.

Once play was stopped to review, the officials gave VT the benefit of the doubt that they called a timeout when really everyone on VT's sideline thought he was gonna score and the thought never crossed their minds before the clock ticked away. Croc of $hit if you ask me

 

[trbonevol]

After this bowl season, I now agree that replay either needs to change or go away in college football. I saw many plays reviewed and very few overturned even though it needed to be. The reason for not overturning the play was there was "no conclusive evidence" and the replay official must "assume the call on the field was correct". If there is not going to be overturned calls, then why waste the time? The best part of the NFL system is that the referee on the field reviews the play. He knows or can directly ask why a play was called the way it was, and then use that info.

 

[RollerVol]

personally I like the replay system. I just wished we didn't have the human element involved.
I swear no matter how humans try to achieve perfection they find a way to screw it up.
GO VOLS!

 

[tm3]

fwiw, replay showed the VT sideline signaling for the timeout before the clock had run down to 0.

overall replay is good. gaffney's non-catch in '00 would have been overturned with any kind of replay in place.

i prefer the NFL system. but would add the ability to challenge and review penalties. there have been some really gross errors on penalties the last couple of years.

 

[salutethehill]

fwiw, replay showed the VT sideline signaling for the timeout before the clock had run down to 0.

So you can call a time out before the whistle blows? Was the whistle blown before the clock hit "0"?

 

[utvolpj]

So you can call a time out before the whistle blows? Was the whistle blown before the clock hit "0"?

there were 2 sec left when they reset the ball. After the play they had just executed I am positive they could get a TO called in time.

I'm more angry we didn't have anyone back there to play D. Thought it was fairly obvious what they were going to do

 

[KB5252]

The player was down with 2 seconds left on the clock, the moment he went down the clock is supposed to stop so the refs can move the chains, tech called a timeout before the refs got the ball placed for play.........it was the correct call.

 

[downanddirty]

Does it really matter the 3 points scored at the end of the first half had very little to do with the score at the end of the game.

 

[JonWard]

The player was down with 2 seconds left on the clock, the moment he went down the clock is supposed to stop so the refs can move the chains, tech called a timeout before the refs got the ball placed for play.........it was the correct call.

The clock does not stop until a ref signals for it to stop. On the play in question, the line judge doesn't signal for this to stop until :00 is showing on clock. The review should have been to see when the judge signaled for time to stop...not when the knee was down.

No time should have been put on the clock. Doesn't matter, Vols blew it in second half.

 

[JonWard]

the moment he went down the clock is supposed to stop

Technically wrong...the time keeper only stops when signaled by refs. Otherwise, you give the judgement on whether there is a first down to the time keeper.

 

[KB5252]

Technically wrong...the time keeper only stops when signaled by refs. Otherwise, you give the judgement on whether there is a first down to the time keeper.

Yes the clock is supposed to stop because the ref is supposed to whistle the play dead, exactly the reason we have review in order to get the calls on the field right. The refs went back and looked at the play and made the correct call.

Edit: The above is only valid if it was reviewable per the rules as written. I do not know for sure but I would imagine it is, similar to the Texas/Nebraska game.

 

[AFL2008]

My God. Don't you remember how bad things were before instant replay?!?!? Refs were screwing up EVERY game numerous times and all we could do about it was see it over and over on TV and cry about it.

Think about the UF game in 2000 where UT got robbed on the Gaffney "catch". No way that catch stands now in the replay era.

I know the refs still make mistakes, even with replay, but now more than ever, the games aren't decided as much anymore by huge ref mistakes as they were 10 years ago.

 

[byobbio]

The player was down with 2 seconds left on the clock, the moment he went down the clock is supposed to stop so the refs can move the chains, tech called a timeout before the refs got the ball placed for play.........it was the correct call.

No. That is incorrect. The clock stops when the referee signals timeout. It is not humanly possible to stop the clock that fast (2 seconds) especially on a play like that.

My point is not necessarily the fact that TN got screwed. I don't really view it as that. It's part of the game now. My point is that globally video review should not be part of the game in any shape or form. I think one of the posters above mentioned about the flow of the game. That, to me, is far more important that individual calls.

I sincerely believe, and I'm sure there will be some argument, that this is leading to and going to lead to more people not going to the games. With more and longer tv timeouts and the video replay officiating, the fans are sitting in the stands more and more without football going on.

THIS IS BAD FOR FOOTBALL any way you slice it.

I also believe that this is why they are strategically catering more towards the "experience" and less of the football. We now have skyboxes, terrace level VIP sections, etc. Hamilton knows that there is less football going on and UT fans are not going to stand for it. They are now wanting more of a culinary experience. F-that. I want football. Oh, and i like to people watch. Other than that, I could care less about getting free hotdogs and cheap-ass chips at halftime for free.

I WANT FOOTBALL.

I would much rather see the end of the video replay officiating than any playoff anyday. Mark that down and book it.

 

[OrangeWilly]

there were 2 sec left when they reset the ball. After the play they had just executed I am positive they could get a TO called in time.

I'm more angry we didn't have anyone back there to play D. Thought it was fairly obvious what they were going to do

My thoughts exactly. Any anger I had was due to a total lapse of football IQ by a very young football player. Letting someone behind you in that situation is inexcusable. That was the source of my anger.

 

[byobbio]

My God. Don't you remember how bad things were before instant replay?!?!? Refs were screwing up EVERY game numerous times and all we could do about it was see it over and over on TV and cry about it.

Think about the UF game in 2000 where UT got robbed on the Gaffney "catch". No way that catch stands now in the replay era.

I know the refs still make mistakes, even with replay, but now more than ever, the games aren't decided as much anymore by huge ref mistakes as they were 10 years ago.

Oh, contrare: There is no way they are overturning that call. I was there. I was right in front of that player. It wasn't a catch. But he had the ball hidden from the ref and the cameras just enough that they couldn't tell. We still don't win that game, however.

Also, remember not so long ago when the LSU QB fumbled the ball. CLEARLY! Who got the ball? We did. Who ended up with the ball after the replay official looked it it. LSU. Know why? Because the blew the whistle.

VIDEO REPLAY DOESN"T WORK.

Oh, and remember, on 3rd and 18 at FLA a few years back? We are driving early in the game and Ainge throws a dart to the two yard line and we catch it. Sure, it looked fishy, but it was ruled a catch. The replay official overturned it with absolutely no video evidence. There's no way with the camera angles they had that they could make a conclusive call. But they did. We lost.

I'm not saying that they are against us always. But, I'm just saying that there is a hell of a lot more discussion about bad officiating now than there ever was.

I THINK IT IS BAD FOR FOOTBALL.

Remember, this was the Big Ten's idea to go to this, not anybody else's. So, they are going to defend it for as long as we're on this planet so that they can always say it was them that started it.

VIDEO REPLAY SUCKS. GET RID OF IT.

 

[vols_fan_68]

Does it really matter the 3 points scored at the end of the first half had very little to do with the score at the end of the game.

One could argue that it did, "momentum". You always hear that there is always 4 or 5 big plays in a game that was the deciding factor, such as the facemask in the 1st half that gave VT new life, the huge drop by D Moore. Game changers...

 

[byobbio]

My God. Don't you remember how bad things were before instant replay?!?!? Refs were screwing up EVERY game numerous times and all we could do about it was see it over and over on TV and cry about it.

Think about the UF game in 2000 where UT got robbed on the Gaffney "catch". No way that catch stands now in the replay era.

I know the refs still make mistakes, even with replay, but now more than ever, the games aren't decided as much anymore by huge ref mistakes as they were 10 years ago.

And just how bad was the game then? Take a look at attendance. That should tell you something. More and more people are opting to watch at home and I guarantee you that this is part of the problem. So, I remember when the game was a hell of a lot better than it is now.

 

[byobbio]

So you can call a time out before the whistle blows? Was the whistle blown before the clock hit "0"?

That's a good point. Actually, that is the point I was trying to make and you make it in one sentence and i am still writing!

I think the camera is not supposed to officiate. It is only supposed to be there as insurance for a really wrong call. But, just like everything else in collegiate sports, once it is in it's in.

 

[kcvols1]

Once play was stopped to review, the officials gave VT the benefit of the doubt that they called a timeout when really everyone on VT's sideline thought he was gonna score and the thought never crossed their minds before the clock ticked away. Croc of $hit if you ask me

^^^^This^^^^

It gave VT time to regroup, get their FG unit ready & comfortable, and completely changed the complexion and outcome of the game.

If they rule him down, then spot the ball immediately, it is 50/50 whether VT is able to get their kicker out in time to kick the FG, or even that Beamer is able to call a timeout.

At the end of the day though, if Jackson or Evans keep the man in front of them, the play never stands a chance and the receiver is counting his teeth in the locker room mirror at halftime.

 

[salutethehill]

The clock does not stop when the player is down, it stops when the whistle is blown. You could say they're supposed to blow the whistle the instance the player is down, but that's impossible and very inconsistent.

 

[CHeightsvol]

bottom line is this....our players weren't in the right position to make the necessary play. UT coaches thought, as did I, that VT was going to take a knee and run out the clock. Because of this, they didn't have anyone back in the end zone to keep everyone in front of them. That was a lack of coaching/playing combined. It took my only 10 seconds of joy during this game from me rather quickly! It sucks, but it is our own fault, not the referees' or the replay system.