Official Josh Dobbs and Cam Sutton at the Senior Bowl Thread

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Measurements are in on day 1 of the senior bowl: https://twitter.com/sports180/status/823923244059262976

Dobbs came in at a solid 6'3.25" and 216 lbs. His measurements are comparable to Marcus Mariota who in 2015 came in at 6'3.75" and 222 lbs. at the combine.

Cam's height is good at 5'11" but he was a little underweight at 182 lbs. Hopefully he can increase that to 185-188 lbs by the combine.

Post other senior bowl related news on Dobbs and Cam here.

 

[wesleydmartin]

Measurements are in on day 1 of the senior bowl: https://twitter.com/sports180/status/823923244059262976

Dobbs came in at a solid 6'3.25" and 216 lbs. His measurements are comparable to Marcus Mariota who in 2015 came in at 6'3.75" and 222 lbs. at the combine.

Post other senior bowl related news on Dobbs and Cam here.

Dobbs gotta add weight, aint much "solid" bout that number.....not a knock on him he took a pounding for years behind our line and down the field on runs and popped rite up, but that aint gone cut it in NFL sir.....6'3 and 1/4 and only 216.......

 

[Rockytoptalker]

Dobbs gotta add weight, aint much "solid" bout that number.....not a knock on him he took a pounding for years behind our line and down the field on runs and popped rite up, but that aint gone cut it in NFL sir.....6'3 and 1/4 and only 216.......

If he puts on another 15 pounds he'll be good. Measurables wise, anyways. Hopefully he can improve his accuracy on some of the short and intermediate routes, but his downfield accuracy improved a ton this past year.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Dobbs gotta add weight, aint much "solid" bout that number.....not a knock on him he took a pounding for years behind our line and down the field on runs and popped rite up, but that aint gone cut it in NFL sir.....6'3 and 1/4 and only 216.......

Randall Cunningham played for a long time in the NFL as an athletic QB at 6'4" 215 lbs.

216 lbs is fine for an athlete like Dobbs. I think 220 lbs is probably the ideal weight for him. However, I don't think it would be good to get any heavier than that or he could lose his explosiveness.

Dobbs success at the next level will come from using both his legs and arm like Randall Cunningham and Russell Wilson.

 

[Chilmonty]

Someone better work on his SLIDING ability, he will need it alot more in the PC-NFL! :rock:


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[Cosmo]

Any idea if Dobbs will practice as a WR? Read somewhere that he may look into going that route at the next level?

 

[wesleydmartin]

Randall Cunningham played for a long time in the NFL as an athletic QB at 6'4" 215 lbs.

216 lbs is fine for an athlete like Dobbs. I think 220 lbs is probably the ideal weight for him. However, I don't think it would be good to get any heavier than that or he could lose his explosiveness.

Dobbs success at the next level will come from using both his legs and arm like Randall Cunningham and Russell Wilson.

Hope ur rite, but I worry bout his size and everything scout wise, which may be bs, says he needs to get bigger upper and lower body...

 

[Rifleman]

Nate Peterman came in at 225 and just a bit over 6'2''.

What a season for that kid, beating Clemson and Penn State.

Really happy to see him salvage his college career.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Hope ur rite, but I worry bout his size and everything scout wise, which may be bs, says he needs to get bigger upper and lower body...

The key is avoiding big hits. Dobbs never missed a snap in his college career because of injury even with all the running and scrambling he's had to do behind a weak o-line. And other than for that hit in overtime against App State as he lunged for the endzone, he has avoided almost any big hits. Its kind of amazing that other for that hit, he's never really been shaken up.

Some guys attract big hits like RG3, while others seem to never get hit that hard like Russell Wilson. Dobbs might be one of those guys who just has a gift for avoiding big hits and that should let him succeed in the NFL even at a relatively light 216 lbs.

 

[supersmo18]

Dobbs is not Randall Cunningham, and Cunningham played in a different generation and breed of players than we have playing today. Stop making these comparisons before they even step foot on the field for a pre-season roster-making game.

 

[jakez4ut]

Randall Cunningham played for a long time in the NFL as an athletic QB at 6'4" 215 lbs.

216 lbs is fine for an athlete like Dobbs. I think 220 lbs is probably the ideal weight for him. However, I don't think it would be good to get any heavier than that or he could lose his explosiveness.

Dobbs success at the next level will come from using both his legs and arm like Randall Cunningham and Russell Wilson.

that was a long time ago, when 310 lb O linemen where the exception not the rule, when 245lb LB's that ran 4.5ish, were the exception not the rule. 300lb DL weren't even in existence...

even Cam Newton at 6'5" 230 can't take the pounding NFL defenses tend to doll out nowadays...as his designed runs have taken a decrease in plays called, and Russell Wilson's whole game is now predicated on avoiding pass rush with boots and waggles. he doesn't do all that many designed runs, except in situational football, either in the red zone, or on 3rd and short, where it's some type of RPO, that usually gets him outside the pocket.

anyway, all that to say, i don't look at Dobbs' height and weight, and use that as a precursor to what he can or can't do at the NFL level.

the only question will be can he execute the passing game like a Cam Newton or Russell Wilson, because you're right, that's the mold he comes from. and in Cunninham's and Newton's case, they didn't really take off until they started to be better from the pocket.

 

[supersmo18]

that was a long time ago, when 310 lb O linemen where the exception not the rule, when 245lb LB's that ran 4.5ish, were the exception not the rule. 300lb DL weren't even in existence...

even Cam Newton at 6'5" 230 can't take the pounding NFL defenses tend to doll out nowadays...as his designed runs have taken a decrease in plays called, and Russell Wilson's whole game is now predicated on avoiding pass rush with boots and waggles. he doesn't do all that many designed runs, except in situational football, either in the red zone, or on 3rd and short, where it's some type of RPO, that usually gets him outside the pocket.

anyway, all that to say, i don't look at Dobbs' height and weight, and use that as a precursor to what he can or can't do at the NFL level.

the only question will be can he execute the passing game like a Cam Newton or Russell Wilson, because you're right, that's the mold he comes from. and in Cunninham's and Newton's case, they didn't really take off until they started to be better from the pocket.

Yes

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

that was a long time ago, when 310 lb O linemen where the exception not the rule, when 245lb LB's that ran 4.5ish, were the exception not the rule. 300lb DL weren't even in existence...

even Cam Newton at 6'5" 230 can't take the pounding NFL defenses tend to doll out nowadays...as his designed runs have taken a decrease in plays called, and Russell Wilson's whole game is now predicated on avoiding pass rush with boots and waggles. he doesn't do all that many designed runs, except in situational football, either in the red zone, or on 3rd and short, where it's some type of RPO, that usually gets him outside the pocket.

anyway, all that to say, i don't look at Dobbs' height and weight, and use that as a precursor to what he can or can't do at the NFL level.

the only question will be can he execute the passing game like a Cam Newton or Russell Wilson, because you're right, that's the mold he comes from. and in Cunninham's and Newton's case, they didn't really take off until they started to be better from the pocket.

Do you remember Josh Dobbs taking many big hits during his college career? He's run the ball a ton both on designed runs and scrambles. And yet he seems to glide out there on the field and avoid big hits.

Just think back to the national title game and how many big hits Deshaun Watson took against Alabama. Do you remember Dobbs ever taking that many big hits in a game? The closest I can think of is Florida 2015 when we ran him alot on designed runs. He took some big hits but really nothing comparable to what Watson took that night against Alabama with less designed runs called for him.

Some guys just have an innate ability not take big hits. They know where guys are coming from, they can turn their bodies away from the full force of the contact, and they fall in a manner to avoid hurting themselves. Dobbs is one of those guys. His incredible durability at Tennessee speaks to that. I think he'll be just fine at 216 lbs in the NFL. He's just one of those guys that can avoid contact.

 

[armchair]

In the NFL you want a QB--and an offensive system--oriented toward getting rid of the ball quickly. That is how PM and Brady have produced HOF careers. Spurrier freaked out when his QBs stood in the pocket and held the ball too long--hated it; preached the quick release. Aaron Rogers gets away with drifting around, but he's the exception. Dobbs will be judged on how well he throws the ball this week and at the combine, if he goes. And let's not forget about Kamara. I saw one report that didn't have Dobbs or Sutton in the top 5 at their positions. Barnett and Kamara, yes, but not Dobbs and Sutton. Dobbs might have a chance to move up in the draft (from wherever he might be pegged now) because this seems a weak draft for QBs.

 

[wesleydmartin]

The key is avoiding big hits. Dobbs never missed a snap in his college career because of injury even with all the running and scrambling he's had to do behind a weak o-line. And other than for that hit in overtime against App State as he lunged for the endzone, he has avoided almost any big hits. Its kind of amazing that other for that hit, he's never really been shaken up.

Some guys attract big hits like RG3, while others seem to never get hit that hard like Russell Wilson. Dobbs might be one of those guys who just has a gift for avoiding big hits and that should let him succeed in the NFL even at a relatively light 216 lbs.

not disagreeing with ya, but i do kinda get that feeling that he may take one of those RG3 hits, i think he is more able minded then RG3 by all means and would get outta harms way as long as he saw the hit coming and felt the pressure....we shall see, still not sure he gets drafted though, even though obviously i wanna see him get a chance at the NFL

 

[KBVol]

that was a long time ago, when 310 lb O linemen where the exception not the rule, when 245lb LB's that ran 4.5ish, were the exception not the rule. 300lb DL weren't even in existence...

even Cam Newton at 6'5" 230 can't take the pounding NFL defenses tend to doll out nowadays...as his designed runs have taken a decrease in plays called, and Russell Wilson's whole game is now predicated on avoiding pass rush with boots and waggles. he doesn't do all that many designed runs, except in situational football, either in the red zone, or on 3rd and short, where it's some type of RPO, that usually gets him outside the pocket.

anyway, all that to say, i don't look at Dobbs' height and weight, and use that as a precursor to what he can or can't do at the NFL level.

the only question will be can he execute the passing game like a Cam Newton or Russell Wilson, because you're right, that's the mold he comes from. and in Cunninham's and Newton's case, they didn't really take off until they started to be better from the pocket.

Newton is actually listed at 245, probably weighs more, furthering your point. Your last paragraph/point is what matters most.....can Josh execute from the pocket.

 

[CourtJester]

that was a long time ago, when 310 lb O linemen where the exception not the rule, when 245lb LB's that ran 4.5ish, were the exception not the rule. 300lb DL weren't even in existence...

even Cam Newton at 6'5" 230 can't take the pounding NFL defenses tend to doll out nowadays...as his designed runs have taken a decrease in plays called, and Russell Wilson's whole game is now predicated on avoiding pass rush with boots and waggles. he doesn't do all that many designed runs, except in situational football, either in the red zone, or on 3rd and short, where it's some type of RPO, that usually gets him outside the pocket.

anyway, all that to say, i don't look at Dobbs' height and weight, and use that as a precursor to what he can or can't do at the NFL level.

the only question will be can he execute the passing game like a Cam Newton or Russell Wilson, because you're right, that's the mold he comes from. and in Cunninham's and Newton's case, they didn't really take off until they started to be better from the pocket.

Good post, but if Cam Newton weighs 230 he's been in bed with the flu for at least 2 weeks.

 

[jkleno]

Do you remember Josh Dobbs taking many big hits during his college career? He's run the ball a ton both on designed runs and scrambles. And yet he seems to glide out there on the field and avoid big hits.

Just think back to the national title game and how many big hits Deshaun Watson took against Alabama. Do you remember Dobbs ever taking that many big hits in a game? The closest I can think of is Florida 2015 when we ran him alot on designed runs. He took some big hits but really nothing comparable to what Watson took that night against Alabama with less designed runs called for him.

Some guys just have an innate ability not take big hits. They know where guys are coming from, they can turn their bodies away from the full force of the contact, and they fall in a manner to avoid hurting themselves. Dobbs is one of those guys. His incredible durability at Tennessee speaks to that. I think he'll be just fine at 216 lbs in the NFL. He's just one of those guys that can avoid contact.

He also threw the ball all over their rear ends. 30/47 for 405 yards and 4TD. He also ran for 70 yards. Dobbs is not even close to Watson as a passer. Not even close.

 

[jkleno]

I would be surprised if Dobbs has a nice Senior Bowl week and maybe even decides to participate at the combine. Ultimately, I think he pursues his life-long dream and finishes up grad school and becomes an AeroSpace eng.

 

[jakez4ut]

Newton is actually listed at 245, probably weighs more, furthering your point. Your last paragraph/point is what matters most.....can Josh execute from the pocket.

Good post, but if Cam Newton weighs 230 he's been in bed with the flu for at least 2 weeks.

yeah, i didn't go look it up, but y'all got the idea. he's as physical a specimen the NFL has ever seen at the QB spot, and he's been dialed back because of how NFL defenses play today.

 

[jkleno]

Measurements are in on day 1 of the senior bowl: https://twitter.com/sports180/status/823923244059262976

Dobbs came in at a solid 6'3.25" and 216 lbs. His measurements are comparable to Marcus Mariota who in 2015 came in at 6'3.75" and 222 lbs. at the combine.

Cam's height is good at 5'11" but he was a little underweight at 182 lbs. Hopefully he can increase that to 185-188 lbs by the combine.

Post other senior bowl related news on Dobbs and Cam here.

Anyone remember what Cam weighed when he arrived at UT?

 

[jakez4ut]

Do you remember Josh Dobbs taking many big hits during his college career? He's run the ball a ton both on designed runs and scrambles. And yet he seems to glide out there on the field and avoid big hits.

Just think back to the national title game and how many big hits Deshaun Watson took against Alabama. Do you remember Dobbs ever taking that many big hits in a game? The closest I can think of is Florida 2015 when we ran him alot on designed runs. He took some big hits but really nothing comparable to what Watson took that night against Alabama with less designed runs called for him.

Some guys just have an innate ability not take big hits. They know where guys are coming from, they can turn their bodies away from the full force of the contact, and they fall in a manner to avoid hurting themselves. Dobbs is one of those guys. His incredible durability at Tennessee speaks to that. I think he'll be just fine at 216 lbs in the NFL. He's just one of those guys that can avoid contact.

college defenses and NFL defenses are two different things. the closes thing Dobbs faced was Bama's defense, and iirc, he did take a few hits in that game....in the pocket.

as for DW, yes, he did take hits, and it's not that he took the hits, it's whether or not you want your qb exposed to those kinds of hits on a regular basis, which you would be in the NFL.

several have tried...Mike VIck, RGIII, Johnny Football, and even Russell Wilson and Cam Newton. Mike Vick didn't start to flourish as a winner until he got better from the pocket, relying less on his legs. RGIII couldn't stay healthy. Johnny football had some other issues not related to football, but in his limited time, he got injured on qb runs twice in his short career that made him miss games. Cam Newton missed 2-3 games this year due to injury. Russell wilson has battled lower leg issues.

bottom line, it's great that these kinds of qb's are finding homes in the nfl, and a very select few (newton and Wilson) have turned it in to real on field success with both taking teams to the Super Bowl.

Josh Dobbs's size has nothing to do with whether or not he'll be successful. it only matters if he can develop in the pocket. and he still have the athletic ability to do what he does as a runner...but make no mistake, that's a bonus, not a requirement.

the requirement is pocket presence, awareness and execution.

nothing that i've said says he wont' be good in the NFL or find a home there. i just think posting his height and weight and using that as a comparison to other QB's' that fit the same mold is less meaningful, considering the success rate for those qb's that either don't develop in the pocket, or take til the end of their career to do so, a la Randall Cunningham.

 

[RollerVol]

Josh is a smart player, which is another reason he was able to escape big hits...he knows how and when to go down...also, his passing looks pretty good today, but I know the VN scouts will be able to distinguish his weaknesses...

GO JOSH AND GO VOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DeepSpringsVol]

I see Dobbs more as a wideout personally and could run occasional wildcat or emergency QB in a pinch.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I would be surprised if Dobbs has a nice Senior Bowl week and maybe even decides to participate at the combine. Ultimately, I think he pursues his life-long dream and finishes up grad school and becomes an AeroSpace eng.

Looks like Dobbs is killing it at the senior bowl so far. He's getting mostly positive press on twitter. Definitely the best QB on the East roster as Davis Webb (the other big name) is getting ripped for inaccurate passes. People are saying Dobbs looks sharp with his ball placement. And even Matt Miller (Bleacher Report Draft analyst who said he had Dobbs graded as an undrafted free agent) seems to be impressed.

https://twitter.com/Chris_Renkel/status/823984555287781376

https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/823983406757347328

https://twitter.com/4AcesScouting/status/823981879288365056

I would say he's having a very nice start to the senior bowl.