Offensive strategy question

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How does the offense work with pro style qb's? I see us recruiting pro style qb's and it looks as if we may have one starting this year. All I can think of is Worley. That poor guy took so many hits.

Quinten looks more mature, and accurate, but what's the point if he just gets smashed constantly? How does the system adjust for a slower qb? Are there programs that implement this well?
 
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You're forgetting something. When Worley was here our OL was straight garbage. Its a strength of our team now.

Also, QD is a hell of a lot more mobile than Worley.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
You're forgetting something. When Worley was here our OL was straight garbage. Its a strength of our team now.

Also, QD is a hell of a lot more mobile than Worley.
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This. JG and QD's rushing stats from high school were quite similar. Both have wheels.

I think we will be fine.
 
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I wonder if Guarantano is athletic enough to occasionally put him on the field in a non-QB role to disrupt the defense. Like maybe line him up wide and have him run the jet sweep. Maybe even use it as a decoy. As accurate as Dormady appears to be, putting Guarantano in could totally confuse the defense and Dormady might could find something to exploit away from Guarantano.

I just hope that both QBs get plenty of snaps to keep them both engaged and happy with their roles and playing time.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
You're forgetting something. When Worley was here our OL was straight garbage. Its a strength of our team now.

Also, QD is a hell of a lot more mobile than Worley.
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Aren't a lot of those garbage OL from '13 playing in the NFL?
 
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Justin Worley and QD have less difference in their 40 times than JD and JG. Comparing high school stats lacks a control.
 
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I think people are missing the question. I'm not asking to split hairs between Worley and QD. Dormady is NOT a dual threat quarterback and is only marginally faster the Worley.

I'm looking for relatable programs using non dual threat qb's. Also looking for opinions on how our offense will work to protect slower qb's.

This isn't just about dormady as McBride looks like a stud.
 
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Th3p3n3tr41t0r said:
How does the offense work with pro style qb's? I see us recruiting pro style qb's and it looks as if we may have one starting this year. All I can think of is Worley. That poor guy took so many hits.

Quinten looks more mature, and accurate, but what's the point if he just gets smashed constantly? How does the system adjust for a slower qb? Are there programs that implement this well?
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Quick release and passes on point w/ some zip will mitigate a little less mobility...
 
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Eliminating the "not really" zone read would help him a ton.

That mess was brutal to watch with Worley, and completely unfair (to Worley).

Whoever the QB is, if they don't have the skill set to keep the ball 10-12 times a game and be a legitimate threat with the legs, will suffer the same fate as Worley. Tackling dummy.
 
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Th3p3n3tr41t0r said:
I think people are missing the question. I'm not asking to split hairs between Worley and QD. Dormady is NOT a dual threat quarterback and is only marginally faster the Worley.

I'm looking for relatable programs using non dual threat qb's. Also looking for opinions on how our offense will work to protect slower qb's.

This isn't just about dormady as McBride looks like a stud.
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Our QB has got to read the defense and decide either run left/right or to pass. If the read is pass then pass it is, if it's run left/right then run it is. If the read is run right then read the DE of LB to either keep or give. Our QB has to be quick enough that if the DE/LB crashes in on the RB, he can keep it and make them pay, if the QB is not quick enough then he gets pounded and that aspect of our offense is ineffective reducing our chances at a great season. If our QB can perform similarly to QD in the O&W game then we'll shred the DBs, then once they go to a nickle, we run it on them .

Basically our offense can thrive if the QB can either run or pass at an elite level, it's all about the read. If they can't do either run/pass things gets more difficult, if they are true duel threat it gets less difficult(still got to be able to make the read).
 
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Really good OC's will rely on "being multiple". Typically OC's are pulling in formations and schemes from several (multiple) offensive schemes. Smart OC's play to the strengths of their players in college.

For example, as bad as it hurts to admit, Lame Queefin ran a little spread option to help Hurts get out of the pocket. They killed us with it. Then he would run i formation stuff and play action over the top, which was his bread and butter the year before.

Hopefully our new OC is smart enough to realize QD is not going to run for 150 yards and JG isnt going to throw for 350, and will allow QD to attack with the pass or JG to run more option stuff. Our last OC tried to fit a square peg into a round hole imo.
 
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the offense isn't based solely on zone read concepts. a lot of that was incorporated because of Dobbs.

it will still have elements of it, will still try to create match ups with shifts, and sweep action and motions......but the "zone read" as you would traditionally think of it, is not, and won't be, the core of this offense.

that was purely a result of what our QB at the time did best.

i'd expect the offense to transition a little bit as a result of the same this time around.
 
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jakez4ut said:
the offense isn't based solely on zone read concepts. a lot of that was incorporated because of Dobbs.

it will still have elements of it, will still try to create match ups with shifts, and sweep action and motions......but the "zone read" as you would traditionally think of it, is not, and won't be, the core of this offense.

that was purely a result of what our QB at the time did best.

i'd expect the offense to transition a little bit as a result of the same this time around.
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Agreed... Everybody always freaks out about this, but it's a total misconception that QB has to keep the ball 5 or 10 times a game for the offense to work. We've been running spread concepts since the 90s and have rarely had QBs that we leaned on to run the ball very much.
 
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GAVol said:
Agreed... Everybody always freaks out about this, but it's a total misconception that QB has to keep the ball 5 or 10 times a game for the offense to work. We've been running spread concepts since the 90s and have rarely had QBs that we leaned on to run the ball very much.
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yep. the only thing i do agree with, is if you don't actually let the QB read, and run it, then i don't know the point of the ZR action in the backfield.

pretty easy to diagnose if it's never actually run....
 
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jakez4ut said:
yep. the only thing i do agree with, is if you don't actually let the QB read, and run it, then i don't know the point of the ZR action in the backfield.

pretty easy to diagnose if it's never actually run....
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I guess the action at least keeps the thought in the defense's head that the QB might pull it. I like the way UGA used Aaron Murray. He'd keep it on the read play about once a game and that was all it took to keep everybody honest.
 
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GAVol said:
I guess the action at least keeps the thought in the defense's head that the QB might pull it. I like the way UGA used Aaron Murray. He'd keep it on the read play about once a game and that was all it took to keep everybody honest.
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as long as we actually run it....:p
 
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jakez4ut said:
yep. the only thing i do agree with, is if you don't actually let the QB read, and run it, then i don't know the point of the ZR action in the backfield.

pretty easy to diagnose if it's never actually run....
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I think that is exactly why everyone freaks out. Everyone remembers that Butch constantly ran the ZR action with Worley and no one ever believed he was going to keep it against quality defenses. No defense was fooled and every play looked like a slow developing hand off or play action.
 
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jakez4ut said:
yep. the only thing i do agree with, is if you don't actually let the QB read, and run it, then i don't know the point of the ZR action in the backfield.

pretty easy to diagnose if it's never actually run....
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When used as play action it can be effective, but as a straight hand off with no chance/threat of the QB keeping, it is a bust.
 
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Th3p3n3tr41t0r said:
I think people are missing the question. I'm not asking to split hairs between Worley and QD. Dormady is NOT a dual threat quarterback and is only marginally faster the Worley.

I'm looking for relatable programs using non dual threat qb's. Also looking for opinions on how our offense will work to protect slower qb's.

This isn't just about dormady as McBride looks like a stud.
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Worley had many, many chances to keep the ball on zone reads to keep the defense honest, to convert third downs, to make our offense much more effective and balanced....yet he just refused to do so.

I honestly believe that this offense, like pretty much all offenses, is predominantly predicated on the qb making quick decisions on where to go with the ball and consistent passing accuracy. 4-5 keepers to keep drives alive per game by QD or JG should be enough imho, anything more on the ground from either will be gravy. We shouldn't expect that the offense only works with an elite runner like Dobbs at qb.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Aren't a lot of those garbage OL from '13 playing in the NFL?
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That was the 13 line. In 14 TN was the only major program in the country to have to replace every starter on o-line and d-line. The 13 o-line had to learn a new offensive scheme in their senior year.
 
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