Offensive Scheme

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Not trying to downplay Butch's scheme or saying it will never work but I must say that I dislike running the screens. I think we run them to much, and throwing to the side all the time is dangerous, not to mention it's so close to the line of scrimmage. It's predictable.

Another thing I noticed is our hurry up offense not being effective. I think hurry up offenses are great and all but when we can't run the ball effectively, have consistent QB accuracy, and 3rd down conversions than it's pointless because we are hurrying up the defense to spend more time on the field.

Thoughts?
 
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To date, we are running the ball for 5.5 yards a carry and 215 a game.

I don't remember the last time we were that successful in the run game. Clearly, the scheme is not hurting us there.

The short passes are to give Worley confidence.
 
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Rifleman said:
To date, we are running the ball for 5.5 yards a carry and 215 a game.

I don't remember the last time we were that successful in the run game. Clearly, the scheme is not hurting us there.

The short passes are to give Worley confidence.
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Against teams not from the Sunbelt or APSU, UT is averaging 122 yards per game and 4 yards per carry.

That's still not horrible but with our limited passing game it's not enough. UT has to somehow move the ball in the air to get that number up in SEC play. Running the ball chews the clock. Butch said AJ and someone else played over 80 snaps last week! Gotta keep them off the field.
 
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Rifleman said:
To date, we are running the ball for 5.5 yards a carry and 215 a game.

I don't remember the last time we were that successful in the run game. Clearly, the scheme is not hurting us there.

The short passes are to give Worley confidence.
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Exactly! If we had a deep passing threat those screens would prove to be money and only help our running game that much more.
 
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ManningBerry#1 said:
Exactly! If we had a deep passing threat those screens would prove to be money and only help our running game that much more.
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Well Said!! If we were any kind of threat in the passing game, our over rated line would quickly become "under" rated!!


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Without a QB that can run the ball......I find our Scheme Offensive!! :thumbsup:
 
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ManningBerry#1 said:
Exactly! If we had a deep passing threat those screens would prove to be money and only help our running game that much more.
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Worley can't throw the ball deep. Scheme wise Mike and CBJ aren't doing what they did at Cincy due to the lack of players here. CBJ and Mike want to run a slot TE system, and the TE is crucial in their scheme as he must block and catch the ball. People need to understand that CBJ had TE Kelce and WR Thompkins last year who are 2 NFL players now. It's hard to run your offense without the correct players, especially at QB and TE.
 
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you should not be listed as a tight end or receiver if you cant catch. why would you not put someone there that can catch. how about not being scared to try it.
 
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keckjm said:
Worley can't throw the ball deep. Scheme wise Mike and CBJ aren't doing what they did at Cincy due to the lack of players here. CBJ and Mike want to run a slot TE system, and the TE is crucial in their scheme as he must block and catch the ball. People need to understand that CBJ had TE Kelce and WR Thompkins last year who are 2 NFL players now. It's hard to run your offense without the correct players, especially at QB and TE.
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I thought it was the coaches job to adjust his game to the personel he has. I dont feel that they are putting Worley in the right situations. He is not a gunslinger. He never will be. He needs to look to use his checkdown. Currently we are looking to hit the big play too much.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Against teams not from the Sunbelt or APSU, UT is averaging 122 yards per game and 4 yards per carry.

That's still not horrible but with our limited passing game it's not enough. UT has to somehow move the ball in the air to get that number up in SEC play. Running the ball chews the clock. Butch said AJ and someone else played over 80 snaps last week! Gotta keep them off the field.
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we also have to keep in mind, that when we are down, we are more than likely going to throw the ball a lot more. that also takes a toll on the run game.
 
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In addition, teams are stacking 8 in the box and daring Worley to throw, so its very impressive that they continue to average what they are running the ball.
 
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ChaoticUT said:
This scheme works plenty fine without a QB that can run the ball.
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The Scheme is really needing a running threat out of the QB though.. Once we have that we can become explosive on offense.

Without the threat of QB running, the play calling becomes predictable ..

One of our problems is our O-Line. They don't run block very well against big time d linemen. They are great at pass block and can sustain blocks, but they aren't NASTY. We need a little nasty on the line.
 
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DazzleVol - what you contributed to this conversation is rather prolific. In fact I cannot find any fault with it!!
 
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So how many times before have we heard people complaining "we don't run enough screens, they will slow down the pass rush"

there is just no winning with this fan base :crazy:
 
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keckjm said:
Worley can't throw the ball deep. Scheme wise Mike and CBJ aren't doing what they did at Cincy due to the lack of players here. CBJ and Mike want to run a slot TE system, and the TE is crucial in their scheme as he must block and catch the ball. People need to understand that CBJ had TE Kelce and WR Thompkins last year who are 2 NFL players now. It's hard to run your offense without the correct players, especially at QB and TE.
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Given time and receivers who can get open, he can throw the ball deep.
 
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The folks who want to use season long stats, need to separate SEC and the Oregon game stats from the patsies.
 
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High yardage totals and averages are skewed because of playing patsies.

Let's use top team opponents to determine if something works or not.
 
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Tux said:
High yardage totals and averages are skewed because of playing patsies.

Let's use top team opponents to determine if something works or not.
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But then wouldn't it he negatively skewed? As I said, were not the only team who has padded their stats against a weaker team or two. Almost all teams play weak opponents starting out the year. The law of averages my friend
 
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You want to determine whether a scheme works, you have to gauge your success against the best teams that you play, not the worst.
 
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If you go 0-8 versus SEC teams, how good is your scheme?

Going 4-0 versus the sisters of the weak is no way to gauge how good your scheme is.
 
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