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#1fulmerite

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Kind of question but also kind of assessment. It seems that CJH comes out each game flying the first two series on offense. Then, every thing just (simmers) down. His second year, however, it seems with Hooker we were still zinging the ball all over the field through out the game. I’ve noticed against good teams, this past weekend against Texas and previously with Georgia, Bama and others, CJH doesn’t ramp back up until the end of the game; when it’s time for the hurry up offense or two minute drill. Am I the only one that has noticed this? Has been mentioned on here he is following a script. The thread comparing him to Johnny had me thinking about this. I’m just not understanding the play calling and strategy. When Kiffen was here, I completely understood slow ball against Florida and Bama and it almost worked against the latter. Why does Heupel slow roll, so to speak, after the first couple of series until the end of the game when we are behind?
 
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Seems early in his tenure, he kept the foot on the gas so to speak. That’s where we (y’all) came up with the slogans and meems “fiddy”. Unless it’s little bro U, we don’t score like that anymore.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
Seems early in his tenure, he kept the foot on the gas so to speak. That’s where we (y’all) came up with the slogans and meems “fiddy”. Unless it’s little bro U, we don’t score like that anymore.
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Hooker his second year had a firm grasp on the entire playbook. Easier to insert a scripted series and go fast after that inital scripted series when your qb understands the entire playbook. I don’t think outside of hooker we’ve had someone that can dial up the speed and get everything right. Hooker also gave you something on off script plays or broken plays.
 
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If he went warp speed the whole game against Texas, our defense would not have survived. That works well when your offense is moving and making first downs. Not so much when it's 3 and out. At the end of the game, the defense is typically playing a different scheme. One that allows short gains, but prevents any long yardage play.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Hooker his second year had a firm grasp on the entire playbook. Easier to insert a scripted series and go fast after that inital scripted series when your qb understands the entire playbook. I don’t think outside of hooker we’ve had someone that can dial up the speed and get everything right. Hooker also gave you something on off script plays or broken plays.
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In addition, Hooker was the only time we've had a second-year starter in Heup's 6 years here.
I don't know if that is common for all programs nowadays but it seems almost unbelievable.
 
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I think he pretty much gives as much as he thinks the QB can handle. Definitely saw some good adjustments last year w/ JA where adjustments were made to splits, routes, etc. Think our either of our frosh are handling a vanilla version. I do find it odd that frosh QBs can thrive...just not at UT. Again, as long as we can lean on the run game against lesser versions of TX front 7, that's the best path to bring along a young QB and post respectable season.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
Kind of question but also kind of assessment. It seems that CJH comes out each game flying the first two series on offense. Then, every thing just (simmers) down. His second year, however, it seems with Hooker we were still zinging the ball all over the field through out the game. I’ve noticed against good teams, this past weekend against Texas and previously with Georgia, Bama and others, CJH doesn’t ramp back up until the end of the game; when it’s time for the hurry up offense or two minute drill. Am I the only one that has noticed this? Has been mentioned on here he is following a script. The thread comparing him to Johnny had me thinking about this. I’m just not understanding the play calling and strategy. When Kiffen was here, I completely understood slow ball against Florida and Bama and it almost worked against the latter. Why does Heupel slow roll, so to speak, after the first couple of series until the end of the game when we are behind?
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Accurate Take

There may not be a better game prep offensive mind in college football than Heup. We always come out well prepared for the first quarter. At this point, it's hard to argue anything other than he's just a bad in game adjustment and manager as a head ball coach. A few things come to mind...

2022
Tempo was still working and defenses/rules hadn't adjusted yet.
Golesh > Hazle
Hooker > 1st year QBs
 
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McDad said:
In addition, Hooker was the only time we've had a second-year starter in Heup's 6 years here.
I don't know if that is common for all programs nowadays but it seems almost unbelievable.
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Yes to this. Do some of you really believe Heuple does not know how to make offensive adjustments during games. He is not some rookie coach, seriously.

We have had 2 QB's new to running this offense the last 2 seasons with no more than spring and fall practice to learn it. It takes time and experience to run a fast paced offense like Hueples and know the entire play book. Joey was faster at learning it because of previous game experience. Brandon is a work in progress.
 
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After Golesh left and Halzle became the offensive coordinator, that's when the issues started. Heupel is very loyal to his coaching staff, sometimes to a fault. If Josh wants to keep being the coach at Tennessee, he really needs to hire a new, established OC. And there is also the issue of a true freshman quarterback, who will become a very good qb, but he doesn't have any experience as a starting qb except in high school, a whole different animal.
 
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College football has changed since Heupel first implemented the lightning fast offense.

First off, the rules have changed to hinder going extremely high tempo (it's possible but not as effective as before).

Second, it's only ever useful if we can get some points more often then not, otherwise, the defense has to be on the field longer which dramatically increases the chances of the team scoring. We saw that happen when Milton/Nico took over. We had really quick 3 & outs and it stressed the defense.

I don't think our scheme is as bad as some would say. Frustrating at times but imo it's more about the pieces... specifically the QB needing to execute/play well.
 
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b_gann said:
Accurate Take

There may not be a better game prep offensive mind in college football than Heup. We always come out well prepared for the first quarter. At this point, it's hard to argue anything other than he's just a bad in game adjustment and manager as a head ball coach. A few things come to mind...

2022
Tempo was still working and defenses/rules hadn't adjusted yet.
Golesh > Hazle
Hooker > 1st year QBs
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Agree...to take step further, I don't even fault coaching as much as delta in talent on both sides of the ball. You can't gap out on strategic positions to who we want to be, which, in my mind is an aggressive D, with offense where run game and winning shots down the field are primary contributors to success. When D is great but can't run the ball, we stall out...when we have a lethal offense but can't stop the other team, that doesn't work either...as well as if have QB who cannot keep the chains moving. Two primary imperatives on offense are: 3-5 yards on first down and no self inflicted penalties keeping us behind the chains. JA had the chops to get us out of a 2nd and 15...this year, it's a prescription for 3 and out.
 
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Glaring failures in play calling against Texas. When your O line cannot contain the pass rush, you do not keep dropping back in the pocket. You get the ball to the permeter. Heupel called ONE screen pass and it worked and that was it. Zero bubble screens. Zero pitches, hb passes, even outside runs. Running into the center's ass and then dropping back into a pocket that is instantly collapsing on third and long with a freshman QB...I don't know why anyone would expect that play calling to work.

This was the worst called game of Heupel's career. His stubbornness was beyond stupid.

Moving on.
 
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bignewt said:
Glaring failures in play calling against Texas. When your O line cannot contain the pass rush, you do not keep dropping back in the pocket. You get the ball to the permeter. Heupel called ONE screen pass and it worked and that was it. Zero bubble screens. Zero pitches, hb passes, even outside runs. Running into the center's ass and then dropping back into a pocket that is instantly collapsing on third and long with a freshman QB...I don't know why anyone would expect that play calling to work.

This was the worst called game of Heupel's career. His stubbornness was beyond stupid.

Moving on.
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Agree - the option look and tunnel screen were good wrinkles. Running IZ most of the time on first for no gain and ending up in third and long didn't land well shockingly
 
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bignewt said:
Glaring failures in play calling against Texas. When your O line cannot contain the pass rush, you do not keep dropping back in the pocket. You get the ball to the permeter. Heupel called ONE screen pass and it worked and that was it. Zero bubble screens. Zero pitches, hb passes, even outside runs. Running into the center's ass and then dropping back into a pocket that is instantly collapsing on third and long with a freshman QB...I don't know why anyone would expect that play calling to work.

This was the worst called game of Heupel's career. His stubbornness was beyond stupid.

Moving on.
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After seeing the still shots of our QB staring at several open receivers before the pocket collapsed, I’d beg to differ. FB and the o-line held us back Saturday, not the playcalling.
 
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sjsmith87 said:
After seeing the still shots of our QB staring at several open receivers before the pocket collapsed, I’d beg to differ. FB and the o-line held us back Saturday, not the playcalling.
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yeah because the game is played in stilled frames.
 
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