Obama now has a record...as a liar

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Then a report from the Associated Press pulled the rug out from under Obama. The report cited a memo written as a record of the February 8 meeting between Goolsbee and a man named Georges Rioux, the Canadian consul general in Chicago. The document was written by Joseph DeMora, a consulate staffer who was in the meeting.

“Noting anxiety among many U.S. domestic audiences about the U.S. economic outlook, Goolsbee candidly acknowledged the protectionist sentiment that has emerged, particularly in the Midwest, during the primary campaign,” the memo said, according to AP. “He cautioned that this messaging should not be taken out of context and should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans.”

In another part of the memo, according to AP, Goolsbee repeated some of Obama’s rhetoric on NAFTA but sought to downplay its consequences. Goolsbee, according to the memo, “was frank in saying that the primary campaign has been necessarily domestically focused, particularly in the Midwest, and that much of the rhetoric that may be perceived to be protectionist is more reflective of political maneuvering than policy. On NAFTA, Goolsbee suggested that Obama is less about fundamentally changing the agreement and more in favour of strengthening/clarifying language on labour mobility and environment and trying to establish these as more ‘core’ principles of the agreement.”

Byron York on Barack Obama & NAFTA on National Review Online
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Well, at least for Barack, it is a good thing that those people fainting in his presence probably don't know how to read...
 
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More seriously, this could stall his momentum. Not a surprise that a politician would mislead but it certainly is in conflict with his core message of change.
 
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Unfortunately, the story is breaking way too late to do anything in Texas and Ohio.
 
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The last thing the Republicans need is for this to lose him the primary.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Don't worry, things will CHANGE in a big way when the RECESSION really hits.
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yep. o-BAMA in the WH--> more people in financial trouble--> higher taxes to increase gov't handouts. Sounds like a recipe for success
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Don't worry, things will CHANGE in a big way when the RECESSION really hits.
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then I suspect you're going to be sorely disappointed by the 3rd quarter. We might be delaying the inevitable, but the rapid and drastic rate cuts we're witnessing will induce capital expenditure. Has never failed to do so and will not today. Those who can borrow will do so and will spend it.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
then I suspect you're going to be sorely disappointed by the 3rd quarter. We might be delaying the inevitable, but the rapid and drastic rate cuts we're witnessing will induce capital expenditure. Has never failed to do so and will not today. Those who can borrow will do so and will spend it.
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the spreads on loans are higher than have been in many many years. i don't think the feds actions will have the same effect as prior years. it's like pushing on a string.
 
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droski said:
the spreads on loans are higher than have been in many many years. i don't think the feds actions will have the same effect as prior years. it's like pushing on a string.
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spreads have remained high because lenders are taking advantage of borrowers today, given limited alternative options. That's not a viable long-term policy for lenders. At the end of the day, they're in the lending business.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
spreads have remained high because lenders are taking advantage of borrowers today, given limited alternative options. That's not a viable long-term policy for lenders. At the end of the day, they're in the lending business.
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Right, but I'm still waiting to see mortgage rates drop in response to the fed cuts so I can refinanace
 
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Interesting, but in no way a campaign killer, it might have possibly changed the outcome in Ohio, I can't see it doing much else. Also, forgive me if I put little stock in a conservative publication that conservatives don't even like.

Also, the guy that wrote this is a Bammer :nono:
 
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So, conservatives do not like the publication that William F. Buckley started? Interesting...
 
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therealUT said:
So, conservatives do not like the publication that William F. Buckley started? Interesting...
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It has shifted away from it's original truly conservative roots to a more neo-conservative slant.

In fairness to you, however, I should add that my original statement should have read more like "a conservative publication that many conservatives, including a former editor, do not like"
 
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Jeffrey Hart (former editor) has had some less than complimentary things to say about the magazine since his time there came to a close.
 
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emain - do you think there is any truth to this story?

If so, how do you square it with Obama's message?
 
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volinbham said:
emain - do you think there is any truth to this story?

If so, how do you square it with Obama's message?
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I am certain it's true, I just don't necessarily think that it has a lot to do with he and his message, as this was someone who works with the campaign, not Obama himself. He is going to have to be careful with how he plays this though.

The only thing this really does in the long term is force him to keep a much closer eye on what is going on with the more influential and visible members of his campaign.

Short term, like therealut said earlier, it came out much too late to affect the Texas and Ohio primaries, and I can't see it really hurting him in Pennsylvania or the rest either. I think the voters give him a pass on this as it is the first real chink in the armor. As long as he continues to come out on the clean end of the Rezko thing, it won't really hurt his credibility.
 
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Isn't his message one of no more politics as usual or compromising principles for special interests?

To me this is classic politics as usual - tell one group what you think they want to hear while assuring a group with competing interests that you don't really mean it.

Which is his real NAFTA position - is he snowing Ohio or Canada?

I'm not singling Obama out as doing this but it seems directly counter to his core message.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Don't worry, things will CHANGE in a big way when the RECESSION really hits.
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Why then are we waiting for the recession to hit if all of our Presidential hopefuls are now Senators? The Dems have held the Senate and Congress for some time now and the economy has only gone deeper into the crapper. There is no way you can convince me that one person is going to change everything, especially when that one person is already in a position to do something about the current economy. Obama is guilty of what every politician does.. Lie to get elected.. Then blame it on someone else when his/her plan goes in the crapper. I only hope that everyone who has drooled over this "squeaky clean" politician now can see that their candidate is also flawed. As I've said before, all things being equal, I'll take the war hero/POW/most experienced person, who just happens to be a Republican, or somewhat a Rep.
 
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