'25 NV OL Douglas Utu (Oregon commit)

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I know @KingVFL is a connected poster and I love the info he brings. But saying Elarbee is a bad recruiter? Sorry not buying it. Honestly how can you look at what he has brought in and say that? I mean has he been recruiting 2 and 3* guys all the time? No he hasn’t.

Is Elarbee an elite recruiter? No. But he is a really good coach and a good recruiter.
 
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JCVol00 said:
Blind trust imo, they’re apparently best friends and have been for a while
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I mean he’s been with Heupel for 9-10 years. He knows the system and has consistently produced Olines that contributed to offenses that ranked in the top 10-20 in scoring and stats. Landed a good Oline class last season, landed a great one this year. That’s a bit more than “blind trust”.

I’m sorry this thread is just incredibly stupid. If you can bring in a guy that helps recruit the position better of course that would be awesome but replacing a OL coach that has been one of the better developing coaches on the staff is dumb imo.
 
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JCVol00 said:
Again, not calling for cge to be fired lol, just expanding on what kingvfl said and that elarbee hasnt proven himself as a recruiter
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I think the recruiter angle kind of improves when you start sending guys to the league consistently. Where is the hardest position to recruit? You would think Oline is up towards the top of that, right. First couple of years the dumpster fire was still cooling, ncaa penalties hanging over the head of the program, negative recruiting galore. We’ve just in the last couple of years turned the corner on that. I can’t act like Spyre and NIL are entirely responsible for our recent Oline recruiting success and also act like QB, edge and all these other positions are only successful bc of our ace recruiters. If you want to tell me Elarbee isn’t the best recruiter on staff of course I can buy into that. However since we’ve had some recent success of putting Oline into the nfl, landing some elite recruits on Oline, and Elarbee is great at implementing Heup’s system I think continuity would be the prudent choice.

Let’s save any staff change decisions for when we’re not undefeated and in the title hunt with one of the best teams in college football
 
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DaddyChad said:
I think the recruiter angle kind of improves when you start sending guys to the league consistently. Where is the hardest position to recruit? You would think Oline is up towards the top of that, right. First couple of years the dumpster fire was still cooling, ncaa penalties hanging over the head of the program, negative recruiting galore. We’ve just in the last couple of years turned the corner on that. I can’t act like Spyre and NIL are entirely responsible for our recent Oline recruiting success and also act like QB, edge and all these other positions are only successful bc of our ace recruiters. If you want to tell me Elarbee isn’t the best recruiter on staff of course I can buy into that. However since we’ve had some recent success of putting Oline into the nfl, landing some elite recruits on Oline, and Elarbee is great at implementing Heup’s system I think continuity would be the prudent choice.

Let’s save any staff change decisions for when we’re not undefeated and in the title hunt with one of the best teams in college football
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OL is very difficult to play no matter what Star you have beside you. So many moving parts in any one play and finding kids to play with tenacity and can think really quick and have good feet . That is why in the League so many teams are bad not enough good OL out there. I'm very happy with our Coach and his success. In CHRIST Alone
 
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JCVol00 said:
1. Splits
2. Tempo
3. Diamonds in the rough when recruiting RB’s
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Elarbee deserves just as much credit with his blocking schemes. It doesn’t matter what system you run. If your OL isn’t any good, then your offense isn’t any good. Cooper Mays is probably the most important piece to our tempo. He is an OL. Those RBs wouldn’t be anything without good OL play.

Don’t know why this is hard for you to understand.
 
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JCVol00 said:
Again, not calling for cge to be fired lol, just expanding on what kingvfl said and that elarbee hasnt proven himself as a recruiter
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Do we, or do we not, have the highest rated OLman that we have EVER LANDED, committed? Not just the highest rated OLman, but the second highest ranked recruit we have EVER LANDED, in the history of 247. That goes back what, 20+ years?

And, did we, or did we not, go into Texas last year, and pull TWO 4 star OLmen out of that state? Something we have NEVER DONE in my lifetime, almost 50 years.

Now, before anyone comes at me with, "that was NIL" or "some other dude on staff did all the work"...I could say the exact same thing about Nico. Do believe it was Halzle who was his Primary Recruiter, backed up back Golesh. If memory serves correct, do believe it was Halzle making all those trips out to California to see him. Same can be said about Brandon. I can also say the same thing about Mike Matthews, Jordan Ross. All NIL in those two recruitments; or, if that doesnt do it for you, believing it was the water boy who procured those signatures is always on the table.

Heard it was all NIL that landed Daevin Hobbs, not Rodney Garner; ALL Coach Chop there...if you like that one better. That's what I heard anyway. Whispers are, Garner has lost his mojo.

See how easy that is?
 
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This is the last I'll say about Elarbee and the offensive line and offensive line recruiting...

Per game -
2021: 218 yds rushing (4.9 ypc)...257 yds passing...475 total yards...511 points (39 ppg)

2022: 199.5 yds rushing (5.0 ypc)...326 yds passing...525.5 total yards...599 points (46 ppg)

2023: 204.8 yds rushing (5.4 ypc)...243 yds passing...448 total yards...413 points (31.7 ppg)

2024: 290 yds rushing (5.9 ypc)...275.8 yds passing...565.8 total yards...216 points (54 ppg)

The moment this drops off, along with the moment we're not landing the David Sanders of the world...then I may take seriously the Glen Elarbee talk.
 
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KingVFL said:
Glen is a really good offensive line coach.

He’s a bad recruiter and we have unfortunately created basically no depth in 4 years on the offensive line. I’m optimistic about our freshman and high school kids (although Utu would’ve had a shot at being a day 1 starter) but we have gotten 0 solid contributors from the first two classes and that’s a real problem. We’ve had to rely on Covid years and Spyre carrying water for the portal to have a semblance of an offensive line. It’s not that offensive line is a developmental position as many here will argue.. it’s not that we were hamstrung with initial classes as many here will argue. I will tell you it’s a bigger issue than that and if you want to believe differently, agree to disagree.

I don’t know if you can make $900K and be our 2nd highest paid assistant and do only the coaching on the field part of the job well forever. We need to find a Chop to support him or figure something out because offensive line depth is the biggest problem on this team and I think the biggest problem in the program.

It’s definitely not fixed because the freshman seem good and we have David Sanders coming in. There is a bigger problem than that.. maybe it doesn’t matter this year and Heard and Campbell play and were fine, but just because it doesn’t happen, doesn’t mean there aren’t concerns.
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2 be fair the NCAA thing was still looming for the 1st 2 years
 
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DaddyChad said:
I think the recruiter angle kind of improves when you start sending guys to the league consistently. Where is the hardest position to recruit? You would think Oline is up towards the top of that, right. First couple of years the dumpster fire was still cooling, ncaa penalties hanging over the head of the program, negative recruiting galore. We’ve just in the last couple of years turned the corner on that. I can’t act like Spyre and NIL are entirely responsible for our recent Oline recruiting success and also act like QB, edge and all these other positions are only successful bc of our ace recruiters. If you want to tell me Elarbee isn’t the best recruiter on staff of course I can buy into that. However since we’ve had some recent success of putting Oline into the nfl, landing some elite recruits on Oline, and Elarbee is great at implementing Heup’s system I think continuity would be the prudent choice.

Let’s save any staff change decisions for when we’re not undefeated and in the title hunt with one of the best teams in college football
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Once Darnell Wright dominated Alabama's Will Anderson and went #10 overall, Elarbee's recruiting started to improve.
 
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KingVFL said:
Glen is a really good offensive line coach.

He’s a bad recruiter and we have unfortunately created basically no depth in 4 years on the offensive line. I’m optimistic about our freshman and high school kids (although Utu would’ve had a shot at being a day 1 starter) but we have gotten 0 solid contributors from the first two classes and that’s a real problem. We’ve had to rely on Covid years and Spyre carrying water for the portal to have a semblance of an offensive line. It’s not that offensive line is a developmental position as many here will argue.. it’s not that we were hamstrung with initial classes as many here will argue. I will tell you it’s a bigger issue than that and if you want to believe differently, agree to disagree.

I don’t know if you can make $900K and be our 2nd highest paid assistant and do only the coaching on the field part of the job well forever. We need to find a Chop to support him or figure something out because offensive line depth is the biggest problem on this team and I think the biggest problem in the program.

It’s definitely not fixed because the freshman seem good and we have David Sanders coming in. There is a bigger problem than that.. maybe it doesn’t matter this year and Heard and Campbell play and were fine, but just because it doesn’t happen, doesn’t mean there aren’t concerns.
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Thank you for your insight. 1000% correct on all points. Spyre will have to keep shelling out to keep the OL starters relatively good talent wise. New recruits you’ve said already came in mostly due to other factors. Something to keep watch
 
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