Noah's Ark

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Marcus, what evidence would it take for you to doubt the existence of God or the premises of Christianity in particular?
 
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rjd970 said:
No.
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That's a lie. It takes faith..or a synonym you choose simply to avoid using tat dirty word...to believe in anything you cannot observe with one of your senses. I am done with this...if you can't be honest then I have better things to do with my time.

BTW I'm not a hypocrite...I am a sinner. I know that. The God I serve says I should always turn the other cheek. I should never call you guys smartazzes...never call you on your lies. I am sorry to Him. I will ask for forgiveness. I admire OC...he doesn't lose his cool. I do. Because you sir are absolutely full of crap. The garbage you believe is not science...or even close to it. Hell its not even logical....nothing as complex as this universe or even a single celled organism accidentally came to exist.

99% of people actually know this. They just refuse to believe the truth....if God is real then the man in the mirror is actually not the most important thing in world..youmight actually have to change your life and give up some of that sin. What they don't understand is when your heart is right with God you won't want to sin..so you're not actually giving up anything you desire. You will no longer desire alcohol...drugs...pornographic images..etc.
 
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rjd970 said:
Marcus, what evidence would it take for you to doubt the existence of God or the premises of Christianity in particular?
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What evidence would would it take for you to doubt the veracity of goo-to-you evolution? For a natural origin of life?
 
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I'm not believing anything with regard to abiogenesis on faith. The best...and more than likely....incomplete explanation is the primordial soup. Cool, when better evidence or a more complete explanation comes along it will be the more accepted.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
What evidence would would it take for you to doubt the veracity of goo-to-you evolution? For a natural origin of life?
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If a reproducible experiment were conducted that fit all the necessary parameters and produced a different explanation, that would go a long way to changing my mind.
 
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I won't post in this thread anymore OC because I know I disappointed God with my attitude. I will leave it alone. Willfully ignorant...that means "dumb on purpose" to quote Dr Hovind.

Please pray for me and my family OC. We are in a bad situation. My name actually is Marcus and I really need His help right now. Thanks bro.
 
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rjd970 said:
I'm not believing anything with regard to abiogenesis on faith. The best...and more than likely....incomplete explanation is the primordial soup. Cool, when better evidence or a more complete explanation comes along it will be the more accepted.
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Define "better" and "more complete". Seems kind of subjective to me. I could tell you that a better, more complete and detailed one exists now.

What would make you disbelieve natural abiogenesis?
 
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rjd970 said:
If a reproducible experiment were conducted that fit all the necessary parameters and produced a different explanation, that would go a long way to changing my mind.
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No. I've been fairly transparent when you asked me. Be transparent. Define what sort of evidence it would take for you to disbelieve Darwinian evolution and natural abiogenesis.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Define "better" and "more complete". Seems kind of subjective to me. I could tell you that a better, more complete and detailed one exists now.

What would make you disbelieve natural abiogenesis?
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I think a reproducible experiment clearly defines better than what there is now.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
No. I've been fairly transparent when you asked me. Be transparent. Define what sort of evidence it would take for you to disbelieve Darwinian evolution and natural abiogenesis.
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Clearly, a reproducible experiment for abiogenesis is undeniable evidence.

As far as Darwin is concerned, it would have to be a home run type evidence, given the mountains evidence already in biology, microbiology, biochemistry, genetics...even mathematics and a host of other things Darwin had no clue about that independently supported some of his basic tenants. I'm fully open to it being wrong, but Mother Nature would have a lot of explaining to do.
 
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rjd970 said:
Clearly, a reproducible experiment for abiogenesis is undeniable evidence.

As far as Darwin is concerned, it would have to be a home run type evidence, given the mountains evidence already in biology, microbiology, biochemistry, genetics...even mathematics and a host of other things Darwin had no clue about that independently supported some of his basic tenants. I'm fully open to it being wrong, but Mother Nature would have a lot of explaining to do.
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No. You are being unfair. I answered what it would take for me to disbelieve GOD, and was transparent. What would it take for you to disbelieve NATURAL abiogenesis and Darwinian evolution.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
I won't post in this thread anymore OC because I know I disappointed God with my attitude. I will leave it alone. Willfully ignorant...that means "dumb on purpose" to quote Dr Hovind.

Please pray for me and my family OC. We are in a bad situation. My name actually is Marcus and I really need His help right now. Thanks bro.
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You haven't offended me. I will be praying. :hi:
 
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Orange_Crush said:
No. You are being unfair. I answered what it would take for me to disbelieve GOD, and was transparent. What would it take for you to disbelieve NATURAL abiogenesis and Darwinian evolution.
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Specific? Many biologists have stated finding a rabbit fossil in Precambrian rocks would throw a serious wrench in theory. I'll even settle for any mammal to make it easier, but you wanted specific.

As far as abiogenesis, I still say a reproducible experiment showing a different alternative would be huge, but if that isn't good enough, a supernatural intervention for all of us to see would work too, and I'm being serious.
 
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Wow. I have missed some serious heavy fire from the Christian side of the argument.

Shout out to OC and marcus, usually these situations end up being me vs. the world (or me vs. TheRealUT). I wish I would have been here for more of this.

Marcus don't sweat the "disappointing attitude" my friend. I have the same struggle. Over the past few years I have become quicker to defend the faith against those who don't believe than I have been to witness to them.

And I will be praying for you and your situation as well.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
That's a lie. It takes faith..or a synonym you choose simply to avoid using tat dirty word...to believe in anything you cannot observe with one of your senses. I am done with this...if you can't be honest then I have better things to do with my time.

BTW I'm not a hypocrite...I am a sinner. I know that. The God I serve says I should always turn the other cheek. I should never call you guys smartazzes...never call you on your lies. I am sorry to Him. I will ask for forgiveness. I admire OC...he doesn't lose his cool. I do. Because you sir are absolutely full of crap. The garbage you believe is not science...or even close to it. Hell its not even logical....nothing as complex as this universe or even a single celled organism accidentally came to exist.

99% of people actually know this. They just refuse to believe the truth....if God is real then the man in the mirror is actually not the most important thing in world..youmight actually have to change your life and give up some of that sin. What they don't understand is when your heart is right with God you won't want to sin..so you're not actually giving up anything you desire. You will no longer desire alcohol...drugs...pornographic images..etc.
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We cannot perceive certain levels of radiation with our senses, but we know they exist because they can be measured by tools that can.

As for your use of the word "faith" I truly think you don't know how to use that word. Faith in the sense of religion is "belief that is not based on proof."

I do not have faith in the chair I am sitting in. It is real and tangible, the chair's existence is something that can be tested. In fact, you can test virtually any property of the chair that you can conceive.

Religion is faith because we have no evidence of it. Trying to use "faith" with a proven scientific theory completely undermines why it is a theory (or a law). It is not faith for the very reason it is a theory, therefore you do not need faith in it.


What I have underlined is faith in your belief, nothing more.

Fact is if we tested that belief and posted the results, like say by polling people in the world at different periods of time to see what religion they did or did not believe in, though that percentage will never be 99% (if it ever happens, then the human race is gone, or world peace has been achieved)
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
Drop a Bomb? Do the due diligence and look it up as you say. This stuff as been out their for at least as many years as the proved layer of ash that encompasses the world from the asteroid that sturck of the coast of the Yucatan Peninsula. Like you say I'm not trying to be a jerk but I see it as common knowldge and 35 years or so of study does not condense down into a link for instant gratification.
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Problems with a Global Flood, 2nd edition

Please give some names of any reputable Geologists that claim a Global Flood happened?
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Interesting last page (50 posts per page).
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Was curious as to my response on whether my evidence needed to doubt evolution was good enough and bummed Marcus decided to drop in for a couple of posts only to leave us. Oh well.
 
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I'm still waiting on the answer to how freshwater and saltwater animals lived at the same time in a flooded world.
 
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