NO Standards whatsoever..???!!!! WTF..?

#51
#51
What is 'me at a bar at closing time looking through my beer googles.' #dontturnitdownturnitover

I'll take Potent Potables for $400, Alex.
 
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ptcarter said:
Not sure the year.. I've posted it a few times. I know there are some new folks haven't seen it and would be amazed. I'm thinking its in the '50s against Kentucky (due to the snow and being the end of the season) but can't say. Might be worth looking up in the yearbook archive UT has (google UT digital archive).
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my first time in neyland was in '58, but i'm starting to think saw it was a few years earlier against kentucky when granddad suffered serious injury while leaving the stadium. Thanks, i'll try google
 
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fifties fan said:
Just to the left of this photo is the old scoreboard. Remind me please, wasn't the clock on that board analog rather than digital?
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Found this in the 1954 yearbook. Yes, the clock had a second hand on it and moved on a circular face.
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VFL-82-JP said:
There are two parts to the answer.

The first, and easier, part is: supply and demand. The current market demands that, to be competitive in hiring a good coach, schools and NFL franchises have to throw the bank at him. Generally speaking, the supply of $$ is no problem at the top end of the sport, so buyers of coaching staff are willing to play along. And that bank they throw the coach's way better include a golden parachute. If they don't spend that much on him, someone else will.

But that part doesn't really get to the root of your question. You know that's how it is now. But what you're really asking is how did we get to this point? And I have no idea of any of the particulars. I mean, we can easily guess that it happened incrementally. One coach and his agent, out of nowhere, said: I'd like to be guaranteed income even after I leave the job, to cover me until I find a new one. And the school or NFL front office wanted him bad enough to agree. And then other agents and coaches heard about that contract and started asking for the same. And the schools and front offices, they had TONS, I mean tons, of dollars flowing in from the popularity of the sport, so they saw no good reason not to go with the trend.

So we have a general idea of how it must've evolved, but I've never seen any article or story with a detailed breakdown of the evolution over time. It could be a good read (or, with the wrong writer, it could be like reading tax returns). Someone good should research and write it.

Anyway, at the end of the day, it's just supply and demand. And when it comes to coaches, it's a sellers' market these days.

p.s. Most of those CEOs you mention, whose continued employment is tied to performance metrics (just like coaches, btw), they also have golden parachutes. This practice is not unique to sports, and didn't even start there. That football coach who did it first, he probably got the idea from some CEO.
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I would say it probably started with Spurrier at FL, but the flood gates opened when Saban was courted by Alabama. Bama pretty much handed him a check and said, “hell, you fill it out”!
 
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#56
Why not include on the buyout that the coach has to show up for work after he gets fired until he finds another job, Im sure there are plenty of toilets to clean
 
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#57
guido4198 said:
This is not necessarily directed at our current coach, not even at our last one...:rolleyes:...but it's a question that puzzles me.
SEC football is a BIG business. MILLIONS of dollars are involved, hundreds of lives are directly affected by the success or failure of a program. Out here in the real world...you know, the world with 2 brain cells that are smart enough to talk to each other and are not blinded by a bunch of "Rah-Rah alma-mater B.S." when a corporation hires a CEO with contractual GUARANTEES of compensation....guess what children...??? Those guarantees are tied to PERFORMANCE marks that the incoming CEO has to hit, or the guarantees go away, and (typically...) SO DOES HE.
We have all read about how much our LAST failed coach continued to collect after being relieved. JP's future as head football coach may soon be on the table because he has failed...and that conversation always includes the massive $$$$ he will be collecting from the University for his failure. Are there NO standards whatsoever..??
What am I missing here..??
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Look up “golden parachute” and you’ll see the corporate world makes the same mistakes that this administration does. Sure the entire corporate world doesn’t screw up constantly, but then again neither do teams like Alabama, Clemson, Florida, etc.
 
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amavol2 said:
Why not include on the buyout that the coach has to show up for work after he gets fired until he finds another job, Im sure there are plenty of toilets to clean
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A good clause would be that the university has to approve the job a coach on a buyout takes to continue receiving it. Butch working for peanuts for Saban is a clear strategy to bleed the UT program.
 
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#59
We all know that, after watching Fulmer match wits with alot of coaches that hes far from the brightest bulb on the tree. He won primarily with superior talent. There was never a need to agree to the salary amount or waving the buyout offset like Fulmer did for Jeremy Pruitt. JP wasnt coming here with a NC as a head coach to his credit (hell, he'd never been a head coach in college) nor had a long list of schools chasing him. Once again, Jimmy Sexton bend UT over and had his way with them.

If you agree to waving the buyout offset, you have to include a list of schools that no buyout applies to, namely any school in the SEC. Common sense should tell you that you cant pay a coach millions of dollars to coach against you. If Sexton refused to agree to that, you move on and tell his client, "your agent cost you this job."

But, Sexton plays chess, UT plays checkers, so here we are......
 
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Smokey X said:
True, but...that was also when most of us gained our lifetime appreciation for the likes of John Ward and Bill Anderson by listening on the transistor radio. And there were some great newspaper guys like Marvin West and Tom Siler who devoted pages in the Sunday paper where they graphically laid out the entire game play by play. I was too young and dumb to know it wasn't great.
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I’m a child of the 80s and listened to a lot of games on radio before the cable explosion.

I no longer live in Big Orange Country, but I still enjoy listening to games while on road trips. The radio guys aren’t as iconic as back in the early 80s and before, but it still is one of my favorite ways to pass time while driving.
 
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