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I don't really like starting threads, especially following the trash that everyone watched last night, but after attending the game in Columbia there are some things that I'd like to throw out there.

The little pill first:
I hadn't been to Williams Brice since like 2006, but I found it to be a lot more comfortable than Neyland. Getting in and out was fast and not congested like our concourses. The metal bleachers have backs to them and it's quite nice not having someones knees in your back and plenty of leg room. I was sitting on the 50 yard line, upper deck row 20, and it doesn't seem as steep. It was difficult to find the score/yards/etc. It's not a loud place like Neyland, and it's not even close. VERY fair-weather. Most of my section liked me, but I trolled them the entire time. I'd participate in "sandstorm" with my orange shaker. Their band is pretty rude and wouldn't let our little pep band even get a jam in. Not even sure why they go. Their video board and sound system is VERY clear. Far superior to ours, IMO. Overall, I had a good time. Their intro is a joke, btw.

The horse pill:
It's year 4 and the team is bad. I have no idea how we pulled off beating UF and UGA and then lost to the Gamecocks. I swore that I wouldn't complain as long as we beat UF, but damn I feel pretty sick about the loss.

#1 is gone. I don't expect to ever see the Iowa/Northwestern Jalen Hurd again. I don't know what's happened, but that ship has sailed, and the USS Kelly has arrived.

Our QB. Not good. It's unbelievable how fun Josh Dobbs was to watch for a season and a half and then POOF. Nowhere to be found. This, IMO, falls on coaching. He was playing better off the cuff and unprepared. But after plenty of time in the "system", he over thinks things and doesn't let his natural ability take control. I can almost see the future every time he sits back in the pocket and throws over the middle. If I can see it, good lord why can't he and the coaches. (Our coaches, because opposing coaches see it).

#2 (Tuttle) ....I just don't see it happening.

Kyle Phillips? A lot of hype but I don't really recall seeing him like ever.

Dormady? If Dobbs isn't going to use his legs anyways, then why not put the better passer in the game? I'm not normally the one to make claims that the back up QB is better, but we're not utilizing Dobbs talent in this scheme anyways, so it makes no sense to sit Dormady. Dormady is perfectly capable of handing the ball off to a RB and throwing a slant 10 times a game.

Team 119 would beat Team 120. Getting a big lead early and then blowing it was actually a lot more fun to watch.

Permanent captains....let's not.

Debord needs to go. ZA needs to go.

Final act. A FG. ARE YOU KIDDING ME??!?! I had a better chance of making that FG than Medley. Bench the kid and move on. This might be the most frustrating/eye opening play of the Butch Jones era. A good kicker is almost as important as a good QB. So what's the issue? Can we not recruit a good kicker? It's ONE position. I mean good lord can someone compile a list of the top 10 high school kickers and I will personally go sell UT to them. Out of the 10, I PROMISE I will get one of them to Tennessee. I've been a fan much longer than Jones or any other "coach" on our staff and I guarantee I can open their eyes to the beauty of Knoxville and running through the T. We just need ONE. Just ONE of them. To KICK the ball THROUGH the uprights.

I could go on and on, but we all see it. The ceiling is 10 wins with Jones. If you're happy with that, I understand. I really do. Because I remember the 5-7 Dooley years. But if we're going to accept being the 8-4 team with an occasional 10 win season, can we at least get someone a little more personal and less robotic than Butch Jones? Dan Mullen has personality. Bret Bielema has personality. Muschamp has personality. Les Miles has personality. All of the aforementioned could give us what Jones is giving us. The question is, could they give us more?
 
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Any of those mentioned could give us more, they've actually shown the ability to coach.

Lyle is a snake-oil salesman. I think it's beyond proven at this point.
 
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Any of those mentioned could give us more, they've actually shown the ability to coach.

Lyle is a snake-oil salesman. I think it's beyond proven at this point.

This board is always like this. "Beyond proven"? There just isn't any calm rational posts to read or participate in.
 
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This board is always like this. "Beyond proven"? There just isn't any calm rational posts to read or participate in.

We wont get a good coach until our university prioritizes football above all else. We havent hired a first tier coach since we fired Fulmer.

EVERYONE has a price. You cant tell me that Bammers have more money than UT boosters have. UT just wants everything on the cheap.
 
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This board is always like this. "Beyond proven"? There just isn't any calm rational posts to read or participate in.

What has Lyle shown to be a good coach? You're quick to complain about people's posts but that's about it. You don't actually discuss much.
 
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We havent hired a first tier coach since we fired Fulmer.We wont get a good coach until our university prioritizes football above all else.

EVERYONE has a price. You cant tell me that Bammers have more money than UT boosters have. UT just wants everything on the cheap.

Majors is the last coach UT hired that was top tier.

Kiffin wasn't a top tier HC but his assistants had their pedigrees.
 
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Majors is the last coach UT hired that was top tier.

Kiffin wasn't a top tier HC but his assistants had their pedigrees.

Majors had a 62% winning percentage over 16 years at UT. He was not a top tier coach, certainly not for us.
 
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So.......

here we are again. Last year, the Vols lost 4 in a row and Butch had to give "the speech" after the Arkansas debacle which turned the team around apparently.

Now, we're in loss #3.....will he give one of his dramatic speeches prior to T Tech? I predict the team will go 8-4 (loss to Vandy) and play in the Belk Bowl.
 
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I could go on and on, but we all see it. The ceiling is 10 wins with Jones. If you're happy with that, I understand. I really do. Because I remember the 5-7 Dooley years. But if we're going to accept being the 8-4 team with an occasional 10 win season, can we at least get someone a little more personal and less robotic than Butch Jones? Dan Mullen has personality. Bret Bielema has personality. Muschamp has personality. Les Miles has personality. All of the aforementioned could give us what Jones is giving us. The question is, could they give us more?

I'm not sure you will ever see even 10. I don't see this year's team sniffing 8.
 
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There's no question he was a top tier coach when hired.

'76 at Pitt was a complete aberration. He lost between 4 and 7 games every season of his career prior to '76. And he averaged 4-5 losses per season the rest of his coaching career. '76 and and '89 were his only 11 or more win seasons in 29 years of coaching. He was never a top tier coach. I was there his first game coaching at Neyland, remember the band playing When Johnny Comes Marching Home Again, was as excited as anyone - and then lived through 16 years of mostly misery. If and when we start looking for new coaches, we should aim higher.
 
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'76 at Pitt was a complete aberration. He lost between 4 and 7 games every season of his career prior to '76. And he averaged 4-5 losses per season the rest of his coaching career. '76 and and '89 were his only 11 or more win seasons in 29 years of coaching. He was never a top tier coach. I was there his first game coaching at Neyland, remember the band playing When Johnny Comes Marching Home Again, was as excited as anyone - and then lived through 16 years of mostly misery. If and when we start looking for new coaches, we should aim higher.

Spot on. Those saying Majors was an elite coach are nuts. A good coach? Yes. Top tier? Not even close.
 
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I'm not saying Butch Jones should be fired. But my question is...how long does he have? Would you agree he is safe this year? Les Miles, he's available. Would you take the jump and go after him? Butch inherited the bottom of the barrel. He's did allot for the program. Realistically, setting emotions aside, how long does he have?
 
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