New Head Coach or Clean house question ?

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First of all, I got blasted last night for reporting that 'Hurd is leaving the program'. Some wanted me banned on Volnation. Anyways, most local news outlets are confirming it now.

Now that Hurd is leaving, Kongbo has hung his cleats up, Preston Williams in gone and we may have few more leave, where do you see Tennessee heading from here:

a) Butch Jones is let go and we look for new Head Coach ? ==> Like it or not but Butch has stocked the talent pool enough to attract good Coaches. It is not a dumpster fire like Dooley left. However, getting rid of Butch may be very costly and we will be in market for HC along with many other big programs.

b) Butch Jones cleans house, including some coaches (OL ? WR ? OC ? ), starts fresh with new QB and looks forward to steering this ship in right direction.
==> It could work but depends on his attitude. He can not continue to be ultra conservative in play calling and horrible game manager. Who kicks a 58 yard FG with a kicker who has never made anything close to 45 yard in his career, that too with a season on the line ? Plus that was not the worst call he made in that game.

So which one do you guys prefer ? or think will be Tennessee's move forward ?
 
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for new AD to decide...nothing will be done now...lame duck AD who hired Butch is still here...new AD will give him at least another year (or two)...stuck in the middle with you...:)

GO VOLS!
 
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He's not the coach of the future. I don't know if we can afford to cut him loose now but it's got to happen sooner or later. What a fraud
 
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I think Option A is ridiculous and don't think Option B is going to happen. However, I do think it's a similar problem Fulmer had in that he wouldn't change the core members of his staff no matter what. I don't know if it's pride or it's just too hard firing good friends and they're either willing to, or don't expect to, get fired themselves for not making a change.
 
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I agree with some that say Butch Jones is not a "big time coach". He probably doesn't even belong in the Power 5. However he is a very good recruiter. What about going after a "big time coach" and keeping Butch on as head of recruiting and an assistant head coach? Thoughts?
 
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Well, when you lay it out there, it is depressing to think we are back at this point again. I say Option A, but it most likely won't happen. He'll try something like Coach Fulmer (Clawfense) and be fired next year. It is amazing of how my school has fallen so far into the depth of mediocrity that no great coach wants to be part of it. Is the fan base so woven into the fabric of this team that many coaches don't want us as fans? I go back to CPF, that was the beginning of the end. Tennessee Sports has been on a steady decline over the years and I can't put my finger on why, EXCEPT, the fans do get out of hand when it comes to invading the personal lives of coaches when things go south.
 
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jltooter said:
I agree with some that say Butch Jones is not a "big time coach". He probably doesn't even belong in the Power 5. However he is a very good recruiter. What about going after a "big time coach" and keeping Butch on as head of recruiting and an assistant head coach? Thoughts?
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Fantasy.
 
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Has ANYONE confirmed this yet? Much less "most"? :huh:
 
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Just give me a competent A.D. That will take charge and do what needs to be done and that as Tennessee peeps we can be confident in.. it's one big shyt sammich right now...
 
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volmandu said:
First of all, I got blasted last night for reporting that 'Hurd is leaving the program'. Some wanted me banned on Volnation. Anyways, most local news outlets are confirming it now.

Now that Hurd is leaving, Kongbo has hung his cleats up, Preston Williams in gone and we may have few more leave, where do you see Tennessee heading from here:

a) Butch Jones is let go and we look for new Head Coach ? ==> Like it or not but Butch has stocked the talent pool enough to attract good Coaches. It is not a dumpster fire like Dooley left. However, getting rid of Butch may be very costly and we will be in market for HC along with many other big programs.

b) Butch Jones cleans house, including some coaches (OL ? WR ? OC ? ), starts fresh with new QB and looks forward to steering this ship in right direction.
==> It could work but depends on his attitude. He can not continue to be ultra conservative in play calling and horrible game manager. Who kicks a 58 yard FG with a kicker who has never made anything close to 45 yard in his career, that too with a season on the line ? Plus that was not the worst call he made in that game.

So which one do you guys prefer ? or think will be Tennessee's move forward ?
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Butch is safe thanks largely in part to his ridiculous contract extension.

Hart set this man up with a really, really nice, fat severance package. So nice, in fact, that we'll have to wait another year just to see how nice and fat it really is. By that time, though, it'll be fine since we'll have a new AD and Butch will already have one foot out the door.
 
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I am in vote to fire Jones. But if he is retained the entire offensive coaching staff needs to be fired. Along with coach Martinez. Also, we need a QB coach.
 
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LoL Butch knows players are going to leave. That's why he always gets a couple of extra commits. I beginning to believe Butch has this more under control than most of the guys on here.
 
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I think Butch is the right guy. Debord play calling isn't good. Making a coaching change now would hurt the program even further. We need to ride Butch and continue to recruit. Injuries really held this team back. He needs to just take control of the locker room. If he loses it completely then ...
 
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JAMESFROMCT said:
I think Butch is the right guy. Debord play calling isn't good. Making a coaching change now would hurt the program even further. We need to ride Butch and continue to recruit. Injuries really held this team back. He needs to just take control of the locker room. If he loses it completely then ...
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He's not the right guy. His ceiling is 9. He won't hire the guys to get over the hump. Shoop isn't the guy and Debord isn't either.
 
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JAMESFROMCT said:
I think Butch is the right guy. Debord play calling isn't good. Making a coaching change now would hurt the program even further. We need to ride Butch and continue to recruit. Injuries really held this team back. He needs to just take control of the locker room. If he loses it completely then ...
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Do you honestly think Debord has control of the offense? He runs what Butch tells him to run, from his "infallible" system.
You can blame injuries all you like for A&M and Alabama, you cannot blame injuries on the cluster**** we saw Saturday night. Butch is done.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
What's he done to warrant keeping him?
He gives up yards like Wilcox did.
He beat Florida but at this point it's forgotten.
The guy isn't what Tennessee needs and this isn't the big 12
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He lost almost every DT on the roster.
At least two starting corners
Starting Safety
2 starting Linebackers
Several backup players

The guy is playing with a stacked deck, and often backed up with a short field.
 
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