Nerlens Noel and UK

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Imagine what would be said if Shabazz committed to UK…luckily for him he committed to UCLA so he’ll be cleared to play
 
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Because he's at UK...if he went to G-town wouldn't be a huge deal and less scrutiny.
 
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Yeah, the NCAA only looks at guys who commit to UK. And, then they lower the boom once the evidence is uncovered, like the Bledsoe case.
 
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ukvols said:
Yeah, the NCAA only looks at guys who commit to UK. And, then they lower the boom once the evidence is uncovered, like the Bledsoe case.
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They didn't find anything with Bledsoe - and that wasn't the NCAA that was the NYT (same writer who prompted this investigation by the way). If Kanter signs with Washington he plays…all I’m sayin
 
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C'mon guys this is silly, acting as if the NCAA is picking on UK.

UCONN and Boatright got it last year and its likely Noel and kanter would've gotten it wherever they went

Noel has about 5 different red flags they're investigating, some involving UK, some involving advisers, some involving teachers and others involving finances.

It's like the saints fans right now claiming the NFL hates them and is just picking on them, come on be serious.

I'm sure Noel will be fine in the end, and may end up missing a few games, but definitely something to keep an eye on. I will add, torian graham another guy UK has been looking at is also questionable with his eligibility, they may be best served to stay set from him.
 
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One other thing I'll add, this type of stuff happens most frequently in your top players. It's usually not 2* low majors players that are being investigated, obviously you do have exception, but majority are your highly rated guys.

Cal goes after and signs more highly rated, top 10-20 guys than anybody else so naturally you're going to hear UK recruits being involved with investigations more than other schools. If UK is signing on average 5 top 20 players and the next school is signing 1 or 2, obviously percentages say its more likely UK will hear from the NCAA than school B. The more of these recruits you sign the more you increase your chances on seeing these investigations.
 
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With Cal's squeaky clean history...................... shouldn't be an issue
 
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dukes_of_maggard said:
They didn't find anything with Bledsoe - and that wasn't the NCAA that was the NYT (same writer who prompted this investigation by the way). If Kanter signs with Washington he plays…all I’m sayin
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What???

You're correct that it wasn't the NCAA handling the probe; it was the school board. And, they said the evidence showed the teacher's reasons for changing the grades were not credible, but they found in favor of Bledsoe anyway.

If they would have invalidated Bledsoe's enhanced GPA, the NCAA would have had to declare him ineligible and probably would have made UK vacate Cal's first season.

What you're saying about Kanter is ridiculous.
 
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He quotes some crappy reporting by Pete Thameltoe, who has a hard-on for Cal.
 
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I edited my post to put it in line with an article I'm trying to link, but my Internet crapped out when I hit Submit, and I lost my follow-up post.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
C'mon guys this is silly, acting as if the NCAA is picking on UK.

UCONN and Boatright got it last year and its likely Noel and kanter would've gotten it wherever they went

Noel has about 5 different red flags they're investigating, some involving UK, some involving advisers, some involving teachers and others involving finances.

It's like the saints fans right now claiming the NFL hates them and is just picking on them, come on be serious.

I'm sure Noel will be fine in the end, and may end up missing a few games, but definitely something to keep an eye on. I will add, torian graham another guy UK has been looking at is also questionable with his eligibility, they may be best served to stay set from him.
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My UK brethren often have promising ideas, they just do not see them through to fruition. Allow me to expand upon the subject.

The NCAA does not pick on UK, it just isn't plausible. What does happen however, is that certain members of the media can control (have influence over) which stories are reported, and which stories have more light shed upon them.

I know that this story was also broken by the New York Times, meaning it has Pete Thamels stamp all over it, who avidly detests Calipari and UK. The NCAA does not just overnight announce that they are looking into a kid. Chances are, Thamel has a source inside the NCAA that feeds him his information, and chances are also great that he has had this information for awhile now, maybe even before Noel committed.

Now, from his standpoint (and media in general), which sounds more enticing:

"Top undecided college Recruit Nerlens Noel being investigated by NCAA"

or....

"#1 Recruit and recent signee with National Champion Kentucky to be investigated by the NCAA"

This is standard journalism practice, and not only applies to Kentucky, but any high profile program. Because of Kentucky's stature and the shady past of their coach, this will more often than not be the model that is followed.

It just is what it is.
 
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The Bledsoe findings:

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An independent investigation into former Parker High School basketball star Eric Bledsoe's academic records concluded that a teacher changed the student's final grade in one class and that the teacher's reasons for the change are "not credible," according to a report released today.

In the first term, 10 of the 14 recorded scores/grades, as well as the final grade, "were conspicuously changed," according to the report. The report says the grade book shows that the orginal scores/grades were written over to reflect higher grades.
In the second term, seven of the 10 recorded scores/grades, as well as the final grade, "were conspicuously changed" and the grade book shows the original scores/grades were written over to reflect to higher grades, according to the report.
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So, 17 grades were changed in one class, and there's no evidence of what work was done or when it was done, other than the signed grade-change form.

If I were a teacher, and a high-profile basketball recruit was working his tail off outside of regular class hours to become eligible for NCAA hoops, I would keep documentation of everything, so that I could easily deal with any inquiry into his changed grades. Also, if I were Bledsoe, and I had worked my own tail off, I would not sit quietly in the background while people debated the legitimacy of my hard work.

Bledsoe's previous high school was unable to produce any grade books, despite state regulations requiring them to still have those records (cited news story is from 2010):

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No determinations were made on Bledsoe's grades at Hayes High School prior to transferring to Parker late during his junior year . The report says grade books from Bledsoe's 11th-grade year at Hayes were requested, but investigators were informed that the Birmingham school system was unable to locate any of those grade books.
Alabama regulations require grade books to be maintained for three years after the entry of grades in a student's records, the report says. Bledsoe's last semester at Hayes was in 2008 as a junior.
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It probably didn't help that the law firm's budget was limited by law to $10,000.

I am only bringing up the Bledsoe story to respond to the suggestion that everyone is out to get UK. That's just a little more out there than the idea that ESPN hates UT.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/09/bledsoe_report_teachers_claim.html
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
My UK brethren often have promising ideas, they just do not see them through to fruition. Allow me to expand upon the subject.

The NCAA does not pick on UK, it just isn't plausible. What does happen however, is that certain members of the media can control (have influence over) which stories are reported, and which stories have more light shed upon them.

I know that this story was also broken by the New York Times, meaning it has Pete Thamels stamp all over it, who avidly detests Calipari and UK. The NCAA does not just overnight announce that they are looking into a kid. Chances are, Thamel has a source inside the NCAA that feeds him his information, and chances are also great that he has had this information for awhile now, maybe even before Noel committed.

Now, from his standpoint (and media in general), which sounds more enticing:

"Top undecided college Recruit Nerlens Noel being investigated by NCAA"

or....

"#1 Recruit and recent signee with National Champion Kentucky to be investigated by the NCAA"

This is standard journalism practice, and not only applies to Kentucky, but any high profile program. Because of Kentucky's stature and the shady past of their coach, this will more often than not be the model that is followed.

It just is what it is.
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I'd say it has more to do with Cal than Ky.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
I'd say it has more to do with Cal than Ky.
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Definitely.

In between SI's Kentucky's Shame cover story and the hiring of Calipari, any stories about rulebreaking inside or around KY basketball were probably historical only.
 
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A lot of people...fans, media members, other coaches, etc...seem to hate Calipari and thus hate KY by association. That really shouldn't be a surprise.

In before someone says he's only hated, because he wins.
 
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ukvols said:
Definitely.

In between SI's Kentucky's Shame cover story and the hiring of Calipari, any stories about rulebreaking inside or around KY basketball were probably historical only.
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Sportswriters hear things in the back rooms that a lot of us are not privy to. There are a number of people who want to see Cal go down for various reasons. The same was true for Pearl. He made a lot of people/peers mad and he had to watch his back and got careless. Cal has been doing this a long time so he knows how to work the angles. Someone like a Franklin at Candy who is pissing people off left and right will end up like Pearl. Someone will turn him in for something small and it'll turn into something big. Why? Because he has pissed off a number of people. You keep pissing people off and eventually you're going to get it back. Cal has done better over the years and is one of the best at covering his back.
 
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The chief reason I hated it when KY got Calipari (and I saw it coming a few years in advance), was that I knew the UK fans, though not all of them, would change their opinion of his past overnight and proceed to worshipping him, believing he can do no wrong, and believing everyone else is on a witch hunt.
 
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ukvols said:
The chief reason I hated it when KY got Calipari (and I saw it coming a few years in advance), was that I knew the UK fans, though not all of them, would change their opinion of his past overnight and proceed to worshipping him, believing he can do no wrong, and believing everyone else is on a witch hunt.
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To be honest, I doubt many UK fans even knew him.
 
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BigPapaCat said:
To be honest, I doubt many UK fans even knew him.
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He was the coach at UMass and received a key technical foul in the Regional Semifinal that '92 UK won to advance to play Duke. Then, he dealt '96 UK one of their two losses before losing to UK in the Final Four. Then, he went to the NBA and then to Memphis, where he achieved a second vacated Final Four.

Only very young kids and bandwagon fans who buy the merchandise and can't name UK's starting lineup wouldn't have known who Calipari was.

The average UK fan's opinion of Calipari in 2008 was probably 180 degrees from what it became in 2009.
 
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