Neil Armstrong blasts Obama.

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First moonwalker blasts Obama?s space plan - Space- msnbc.com

Here is a copy of his open letter mentioned in the MSNBC obama water carrying article above.

The United States entered into the challenge of space exploration under President Eisenhower’s first term, however, it was the Soviet Union who excelled in those early years. Under the bold vision of Presidents Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon, and with the overwhelming approval of the American people, we rapidly closed the gap in the final third; of the 20th century, and became the world leader in space exploration.

America’s space accomplishments earned the respect and admiration of the world. Science probes were unlocking the secrets of the cosmos; space technology was providing instantaneous worldwide communication; orbital sentinels were helping man understand the vagaries of nature. Above all else, the people around the world were inspired by the human exploration of space and the expanding of man’s frontier. It suggested that what had been thought to be impossible was now within reach. Students were inspired to prepare themselves to be a part of this new age. No government program in modern history has been so effective in motivating the young to do “what has never been done before.”

World leadership in space was not achieved easily. In the first half-century of the space age, our country made a significant financial investment, thousands of Americans dedicated themselves to the effort, and some gave their lives to achieve the dream of a nation. In the latter part of the first half century of the space age, Americans and their international partners focused primarily on exploiting the near frontiers of space with the Space Shuttle and the International Space Station.

As a result of the tragic loss of the Space Shuttle Columbia in 2003, it was concluded that our space policy required a new strategic vision. Extensive studies and analysis led to this new mandate: meet our existing commitments, return to our exploration roots, return to the moon, and prepare to venture further outward to the asteroids and to Mars. The program was named “Constellation.” In the ensuing years, this plan was endorsed by two Presidents of different parties and approved by both Democratic and Republican congresses.

The Columbia Accident Board had given NASA a number of recommendations fundamental to the Constellation architecture which were duly incorporated. The Ares rocket family was patterned after the Von Braun Modular concept so essential to the success of the Saturn 1B and the Saturn 5. A number of components in the Ares 1 rocket would become the foundation of the very large heavy lift Ares V, thus reducing the total development costs substantially. After the Ares 1 becomes operational, the only major new components necessary for the Ares V would be the larger propellant tanks to support the heavy lift requirements.

The design and the production of the flight components and infrastructure to implement this vision was well underway. Detailed planning of all the major sectors of the program had begun. Enthusiasm within NASA and throughout the country was very high.

When President Obama recently released his budget for NASA, he proposed a slight increase in total funding, substantial research and technology development, an extension of the International Space Station operation until 2020, long range planning for a new but undefined heavy lift rocket and significant funding for the development of commercial access to low earth orbit.

Although some of these proposals have merit, the accompanying decision to cancel the Constellation program, its Ares 1 and Ares V rockets, and the Orion spacecraft, is devastating.

America’s only path to low Earth orbit and the International Space Station will now be subject to an agreement with Russia to purchase space on their Soyuz (at a price of over 50 million dollars per seat with significant increases expected in the near future) until we have the capacity to provide transportation for ourselves. The availability of a commercial transport to orbit as envisioned in the President’s proposal cannot be predicted with any certainty, but is likely to take substantially longer and be more expensive than we would hope.

It appears that we will have wasted our current $10-plus billion investment in Constellation and, equally importantly, we will have lost the many years required to recreate the equivalent of what we will have discarded.

For The United States, the leading space faring nation for nearly half a century, to be without carriage to low Earth orbit and with no human exploration capability to go beyond Earth orbit for an indeterminate time into the future, destines our nation to become one of second or even third rate stature. While the President’s plan envisages humans traveling away from Earth and perhaps toward Mars at some time in the future, the lack of developed rockets and spacecraft will assure that ability will not be available for many years.

Without the skill and experience that actual spacecraft operation provides, the USA is far too likely to be on a long downhill slide to mediocrity. America must decide if it wishes to remain a leader in space. If it does, we should institute a program which will give us the very best chance of achieving that goal.

Neil Armstrong
Commander, Apollo 11

James Lovell
Commander, Apollo 13

Eugene Cernan
Commander, Apollo 17
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Obozo directs NASA to funnel the money to “predominantly Muslim countries” to train Muslim youths in the space sciences -
and now we'll pay $51 MILLION PER ASTRONAUT to Russia to get our men and women back and forth to space.




"Space is our highest priority, regardless of how hard the economic situation is in the country," Russian president Medvedev said in translated remarks. "Space will always remain our priority. This is not just somebody's interpretation, it's our official state position. I am here in my presidential office and when addressing you, I can confirm again the significance of space for the government."


“Some 7,000 space industry workers will lose their jobs by the time the shuttle program ends, causing the loss of 14,000 public sector jobs and raising the unemployment rate to near 15 percent in Brevard.” (Since the nationwide unemployment rate is about 15%, I think we can safely assume that earlier estimate could revise the unemployment inBrevard to 30%.)

Watch out Zimbabwe, move over third world, here we come.
 
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It's a split topic amongst NASA peeps from what little I understand. One of my friends works for NASA. I'll see what he has to say.
 
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If Armstrong had disagreed with a Bush administration decision, and had written a similar letter in 2007, would you give a fark what he had to say?

What about Buzz Aldrin's piece in support of the decision? How about posting that?
 
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If Armstrong had disagreed with a Bush administration decision, and had written a similar letter in 2007, would you give a fark what he had to say?

What about Buzz Aldrin's piece in support of the decision? How about posting that?

What Bush decision? Not that I've ever agreed with Bush about anything other than that John Kerry is a piece of dung that deserves a grave stone pissed upon?

Buzz Aldrin has been an Obamabot from the beginning.
 
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If Armstrong had disagreed with a Bush administration decision, and had written a similar letter in 2007, would you give a fark what he had to say?

What about Buzz Aldrin's piece in support of the decision? How about posting that?

had Bush made the decision to abdicate US dominance in manned spaceflight operations, we would have been screaming right along with Armstrong.

Obama added insult to injury with his BS notions of great things to come in 10 to 15 years. How can someone who speaks in such vague generalities have captured the imaginations of so many doofuses around the country is beyond me.

All that jackass has done, in reality, is turn NASA into an arm of the climate change alarmist movement.
 
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If Armstrong had disagreed with a Bush administration decision, and had written a similar letter in 2007, would you give a fark what he had to say?

What about Buzz Aldrin's piece in support of the decision? How about posting that?

sheep response
 
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had Bush made the decision to abdicate US dominance in manned spaceflight operations, we would have been screaming right along with Armstrong

How much federal spending do you think is worth it to revisit the moon?

More specifically, how much in extra taxes are you willing to pay to accomplish it?

In a thread elsewhere, people are claiming that we "need" to spend tens (or hundreds?) of billions of dollars to do a manned mission to Mars.

I say we'll be just fine sending rovers instead. Why am I wrong?
 
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How much federal spending do you think is worth it to revisit the moon?

More specifically, how much in extra taxes are you willing to pay to accomplish it?

In a thread elsewhere, people are claiming that we "need" to spend tens (or hundreds?) of billions of dollars to do a manned mission to Mars.

I say we'll be just fine sending rovers instead. Why am I wrong?

I said "manned space flight", which includes the ISS. It's BS to force NASA to rely on the Russians for a ride to the ISS at the cost of nearly 60 million per astronaut per trip.

I don't believe I mentioned Mars or the Moon, though I think that both are worthwhile goals.

As far as spending the money goes, I'd much rather have a few hundred billion spent in space exploration than the 1.2 trillion that's going to be wasted on an un-Constitutional takeover of the US health care system.
 
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it's not as though obama just wants to save this money. he just wants to realocate it to his social programs. at least the space program has proven to get returns.
 
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Sort of off topic, but if a method of using Helium-3 in nuclear fusion... there would be a very viable reason to ramp up our colonization of the Moon.

We definitely need to explore the surface of our surrounding planets, regardless of cost. We have monarchies that, at the expense of social welfare in their own countries, spend enormous amounts to fund exploration. That is the key to scientific progress and the expansion of not only the United States but the general advancement of world welfare.

This is something some people simply don't understand about military/space programs. They create jobs for very highly trained individuals (and keep their research in US hands) and far more social gains will be made in technological spinoffs, as droski mentioned.
 
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it's not as though obama just wants to save this money. he just wants to realocate it to his social programs. at least the space program has proven to get returns.


Come on, you know better. Deciding which programs to keep and which to revamp is complicated stuff and to say that he's choosing one path over another to free up money for social programs is just silly.
 
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it's absolutely not silly. he's increasing funding for his garbage programs and has done so his entire administration. now he's figuring out how to pay for it.
 
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What Bush decision? Not that I've ever agreed with Bush about anything other than that John Kerry is a piece of dung that deserves a grave stone pissed upon?

Buzz Aldrin has been an Obamabot from the beginning.


So if a retired legend denounces Obama its worth a new thread, if one supports hes just a sheep. Im starting to get the hang of this.
 
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Come on, you know better. Deciding which programs to keep and which to revamp is complicated stuff and to say that he's choosing one path over another to free up money for social programs is just silly.

Its not hard to figure.
You keep spending, at some point you have to start cutting something, or HE looks silly as you put it.

Now he can say he cut something, I guess.
 
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Come on, you know better. Deciding which programs to keep and which to revamp is complicated stuff and to say that he's choosing one path over another to free up money for social programs is just silly.

just the response we would expect from you......you are the leader of the sheep
 
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Come on, you know better. Deciding which programs to keep and which to revamp is complicated stuff and to say that he's choosing one path over another to free up money for social programs is just silly.

Disagree 100%. And taking the space program two steps backwards means now that all Star Trek movies will have to be made in Russian since that'll be the new space language of choice.
 
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Disagree 100%. And taking the space program two steps backwards means now that all Star Trek movies will have to be made in Russian since that'll be the new space language of choice.

I'm sure Chekov would have no problems with this situation.
 
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Obama added insult to injury with his BS notions of great things to come in 10 to 15 years. How can someone who speaks in such vague generalities have captured the imaginations of so many doofuses around the country is beyond me.

Well '68 sometimes you just have to lean back understand that's what doofuses do, doo wah diddy diddy doo wah doo!

Plus doofuses have little if any imagination of their own anyway.

Tawaaaaaang!






How much federal spending do you think is worth it to revisit the moon?

More specifically, how much in extra taxes are you willing to pay to accomplish it?

How much federal spending is it worth to give our best technology to muslim countries who will use it to try to destroy us anyway.

Do you think paying the Russians $51 million (which will probably double or triple by the time it comes into being) taxi fare to the space station is something you want to pay taxes for??





Sort of off topic, but if a method of using Helium-3 in nuclear fusion... there would be a very viable reason to ramp up our colonization of the Moon.

We definitely need to explore the surface of our surrounding planets, regardless of cost. We have monarchies that, at the expense of social welfare in their own countries, spend enormous amounts to fund exploration. That is the key to scientific progress and the expansion of not only the United States but the general advancement of world welfare.

This is something some people simply don't understand about military/space programs. They create jobs for very highly trained individuals (and keep their research in US hands) and far more social gains will be made in technological spinoffs, as droski mentioned.

The technologies developed in NASA research that have found practical applications all accross American (and world) business, industry and communications is countless.




No, according to tin-foil hat club on this message board the Obozo, Muslim, Kenyan, Communist dictator is.

Don't look now but you have a tin foil hat stuck in your eye ball.

SorosObamaPuppet.jpg
 
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Disagree 100%. And taking the space program two steps backwards means now that all Star Trek movies will have to be made in Russian since that'll be the new space language of choice.


'Zagrametrazirovan' was the first word uttered by a human being outside of a space craft in outer space, in other words the very first 'space walk.'

I don't remember the name of the cosmonaut but do remember the name of the American who copied the conversation, he was a Mormon from Utah and immediately said he was outside the vehicle at which time the American president should have immediately been notified.

The goal was zero time for such communications on important matters and we had it down to well below ten seconds.

But instead of doing that immediately supervisors had to pour through technical Russian dictionaries to find the definition of the highly technical words being used in communication with ground control and didn't want to jeprodize their carreers by being wrong and in so doing delayed the direct communication six hours.

Zagrametrazirovan means 'hermetically sealed' the key that tipped off my friend was the prefix 'za' which means from the outside, as if you would say 'zacrit' (close) the door, it would mean you close the door from the outside.

I probably can expect to be corrected by some first year Russian language student even though I have a major in Russian Language but if so, be kind, I'm relating this from memory of over a half century ago.

The guy from Utah wasn't a frequent or big time drinker and a friend of mine who was also a Russian translator and I would get him to go out of a few once in a great while.

He would be pretty well ploughed by about the third beer and there were two stories we could always count on, that one and the story about the time he was a kid and had cholera and crapped yellow, maybe beer gave him the runs, who knows?

What is remarkable about the Apr 15 speech is twofold, obozo chose that day for the address because it was tax day and he wanted to put a smiley face on his programs that are going to increase taxes exponentially and the two facedness of what he was saying and what he is doing which is a recurring theme thoughout his political carreer, especially since assuming the offoce of POTUS.
 

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