Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

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PlanetVolunteer said:
seriously!

That's also a rivalry and OU is playing for the playoff!

Our game? pshh, a 90's rivalry, they're a train wreck, we aren't playing for the playoffs...who cares!? a Nooner is needed...
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Besides vol fans I doubt anyone cares that much, even Florida fans. I can get 3:30 since it’s slightly more appealing matchup than Arkansas and Texas. Oh well, the night vibes will make it more fun when we break the curse finally
 
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Revived2002 said:
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Hell yes.

I've said this manny times over the years, a lot of these players don't quite get it. There are so many of us, me included, that might give their right arm to have played a single down in that uniform, on that field, in that stadium, just once.......... Just to feel like we belonged and earned it........ Just once.


This guy gets it.......... He's one of us!

Alli can do is live that moment with/through you!
 
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Should have played better than we did, but we won. Next game. Need to play tough and be ready, need to win. Winning in the swamp would be a step forward for this program. Win, then move on to Vanderbilt. Have to beat Vanderbilt. Leave no doubt whose state this is.

Not going to pretend playoffs are a possibility. It's about pride. Win out and hopefully get a Florida bowl game.

As for the rest of college football, let's hope for chaos because chaos is fun.
 
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SmyrnaATLVolisback said:
Kirby with a huge call.

Wish we had trick plays and special teams plays. Would be nice
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I wish I could get paid whatever our special teams coach gets paid to tell my returners to fair catch everything. Whoever it is is, he sucks and needs to be replaced.
 
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allvolrecruiting said:
In 1998. Again, this is a new era. Coach hiring practices from before this century doesn't really equate to what is needed at big jobs now
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The guy considered the best coach in college football RIGHT NOW IN TODAY’S ENVIRONMENT (Kirby) was literally the same hire (successful NC coordinator) that Stoops was for OU in 1998. He had zero head coaching experience when hired.

It’s still about hiring the right guy. And the right guy can come from a myriad of experiences/backgrounds…including no P4 HC experience.

Penn State could hire Matt Campbell and fail. They could hire Alex Golesh and fail. Or either could succeed. It’s up to their AD to figure that out without worrying about how it “looks.” It’s about winning on the field, not the press conference. I know that hurts the egos of the American sports media.
 
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allvolrecruiting said:
Sure but some context is needed.

First off, this is a new era of football. All these coaches hired before this century mark does not really apply in this situation. Next Brian Kelly left after a top 5 season at Cincinnati (a la Fickell to Wisconsin). Urban Meyer also was hired off a top 5 season at Utah and he had an unique offense at the time in his own right. Napier and Frost got fired. Tennessee was in the middle of an investigation and had already fired an AD over that coaching search.

In terms of it just being normal, Penn State isn't just some normal job and they fired a coach who took them to the national championship literally last year. The goal is always to hire better than what you let go. The bar is a natty appearance and in this era you have to get a coach that people want to give money too. Hiring a coach who went 7-6 in every season he had coaching before this year while at a mid major doesn't exactly get these type of people excited. Nobody is saying Golesh is not a P4 worthy coach, but there's levels to the landscape of programs.

He would have to prove it over time with sustained success to just jump to Penn State right now. With the assistants, Kirby was the defensive coordinator under the greatest coach of all time for 8 years before getting a job and had played at the school that hired him. With Venables he was the DC at OU for 13 years before being the DC at Clemson for 10 more. Those two were quite literally some of the greatest defensive assistants of all time and returned to where they once were. With Stoops, I'm not comparing Kentucky and Penn State...
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Don’t disagree with a lot of this except PSU did not go to the NC last year and also I seriously question who all these schools are gonna hire
 
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allvolrecruiting said:
Sure but some context is needed.

First off, this is a new era of football. All these coaches hired before this century mark does not really apply in this situation. Next Brian Kelly left after a top 5 season at Cincinnati (a la Fickell to Wisconsin). Urban Meyer also was hired off a top 5 season at Utah and he had an unique offense at the time in his own right. Napier and Frost got fired. Tennessee was in the middle of an investigation and had already fired an AD over that coaching search.

In terms of it just being normal, Penn State isn't just some normal job and they fired a coach who took them to the national championship literally last year. The goal is always to hire better than what you let go. The bar is a natty appearance and in this era you have to get a coach that people want to give money too. Hiring a coach who went 7-6 in every season he had coaching before this year while at a mid major doesn't exactly get these type of people excited. Nobody is saying Golesh is not a P4 worthy coach, but there's levels to the landscape of programs.

He would have to prove it over time with sustained success to just jump to Penn State right now. With the assistants, Kirby was the defensive coordinator under the greatest coach of all time for 8 years before getting a job and had played at the school that hired him. With Venables he was the DC at OU for 13 years before being the DC at Clemson for 10 more. Those two were quite literally some of the greatest defensive assistants of all time and returned to where they once were. With Stoops, I'm not comparing Kentucky and Penn State...
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Agree, but there is too much demand. And not enough supply.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
I’ve heard about the excitement for Condredge Holloway when he was on the freshmen team and a huge crowd showing up to see him play against Notre Dame’s freshman team. I wasn’t born yet, but I’m sure you remember it well.

I do remember Heath Shular playing on the freshman team. Of course, he was eligible for varsity as a freshman, but they still had a freshman team that played two or three games that season.
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I do recall it well. The drama surrounding Holloway's recruitment added to the interest and because of that Tennessee started the first black QB in the SEC.

Had a copy of the 45 record by Johnny Vol and the Orange Peels for decades and in my final move after retirement, it was broken. Killed me.
 
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BleedOrange16 said:
I hear you. And I’m not completely disagreeing.

I just wish we did the “little things” better.
Clock management
Critical down play calling
Penalties
Tackling
Make FGs

Etc.

The fun stuff would be great. But we do a lot of explosive play “fun stuff.” I’d like to see us execute small things better, honestly.
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Doing those little things well is imperative to moving into “elite” territory. Seems we’re regressing in some of them.
 
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headhunter15 said:
Absolutely dreading Saturday night. Until a Tennessee team actually wins in the Swamp, I won’t believe it can happen.
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I’ll be very surprised to see us win. With the way we’ve looked lately this sets up too well for a prime time televised stinker.
 
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