NBA Player Rankings

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This is an objective ranking system. It's all based on a statistical formula measuring player productivity in terms of wins. Pau was #7 on this list (Marc #88).

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So it's not saying Andre Miller is better than Dirk, it's just saying he was more productive last year, during the regular season.

http://www.wagesofwins.com/AllPlayersRank2010-11.html
 
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ESPN's top 10 is coming up. I think Blake Griffin is top 10.
 
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Any best player list, trying to ascribe wins to a player's output, that has Kevin Love on top, should be summarily burned and forgotten.

Stat me all you want, but nobody is clamoring to build any sort of winning team around Kevin Love, period.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Rodman was a top 10 player?
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All time? No. League-wide in his prime? Yes.

16 rpg from one player is like playing 6 on 5. If your other players can just rebound a little bit you will dominate ball possession.

The Bulls added Rodman to a team that lost in the Eastern Semi-Finals and they won 70 games, and smoked everybody in the playoffs (16-3).
 
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nbakerld said:
All time? No. League-wide in his prime? Yes.

16 rpg from one player is like playing 6 on 5. If your other players can just rebound a little bit you will dominate ball possession.

The Bulls added Rodman to a team that lost in the Eastern Semi-Finals and they won 70 games, and smoked everybody in the playoffs (16-3).
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Nice analysis. Must be why Chamberlain's teams killed everyone.

I don't know how old you might be, but if you watched, he wasn't one of the top 4 or 5 players on his title teams, much less in the league.
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BigPapaVol said:
Nice analysis. Must be why Chamberlain's teams killed everyone.

I don't know how old you might be, but if you watched, he wasn't one of the top 4 or 5 players on his title teams, much less in the league.
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Not saying I have the most trained eye myself, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't watch. Spreadsheets can't lie.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Nice analysis. Must be why Chamberlain's teams killed everyone.

I don't know how old you might be, but if you watched, he wasn't one of the top 4 or 5 players on his title teams, much less in the league.
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I watched him. I'm 29. I was 14 the year they won 70 games.

It takes a team to win titles. MJ, Magic, Kareem, and everybody else who gets credit for winning titles only won titles when they had the right team around them. If the best player is good enough to win despite their team, than MJ should have like 10 titles. Jordan's teams that won titles were great on the boards.

Offensive and defensive rebound % rankings, respectively:
1991 - 5th and 9th
1992 - 5th and 4th
1993 - 1st and 11th
1996 - 1st and 8th
1997 - 2nd and 13th
1998 - 2nd and 7th
 
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The problem I'm seeing with this list is the probable result of the fact that there has yet to be a good stat to track defense.

Since I like to use Trail Blazers for examples of everything, this ranking saying there are 47 guys in the league better than Gerald Wallace is evidence of this IMO.
 
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milohimself said:
The problem I'm seeing with this list is the probable result of the fact that there has yet to be a good stat to track defense.

Since I like to use Trail Blazers for examples of everything, this ranking saying there are 47 guys in the league better than Gerald Wallace is evidence of this IMO.
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Wins produced (factoring offense and defense) has him rated as the 20th most productive player in 2010-11. Wins produced is based on the statistically significant correlation between stats like steals, rebounds, blocks, and fouls with winning.
 
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But that's too high IMO... He's a great defender and all, but I still don't buy that there is any good statistical measurement of overall defensive ability. There are great ways to measure certain aspects of defense, but there is so much that goes into that end of the game that there is no statistical measure of.
 
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milohimself said:
But that's too high IMO... He's a great defender and all, but I still don't buy that there is any good statistical measurement of overall defensive ability. There are great ways to measure certain aspects of defense, but there is so much that goes into that end of the game that there is no statistical measure of.
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Good defense is manifest in those 4 stats I mentioned. If you are athletic and get after the ball you are going to do well in at least a couple of those categories.

Dwight Howard doesn't foul (in relative terms), and he led all centers in rebounds, blocks, and steals. None of these are the reason that he's a great defender, they are just indicative of a guy who excels athletically, and applies himself on the defensive end of the court. Combined they capture his dominant defensive ability.

Wallace doesn't commit a lot of fouls, leads small forwards in rebounding, 5th in steals, and 4th in blocks.

I'm starting to see a pattern here.
 
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I like the spreesheet with Love sitting at the top spot, the last line has wins produced...25 wins...the Timberwolves wish they could win 25 games.
 
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GahLee said:
I like the spreesheet with Love sitting at the top spot, the last line has wins produced...25 wins...the Timberwolves wish they could win 25 games.
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The rest of his team is negative 7 wins produced combined. That's why they didn't win 25 games. That's how bad the team around him is. Without him, odds are good they don't win a single game all season (and I think they went 0-12 without him).
 
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Dirk at 5... I don't really have a huge problem with it since he got his ring.
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You know what... Not sure I have a problem putting Kobe outside the top 5 right now.

Dirk at 5 is low, though. Pretty sure he just showed up three guys ahead of him on the list in the playoffs.
 
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Wrapped up.

1. LeBron James
2. Dwight Howard
3. Dwayne Wade
4. Chris Paul
5. Dirk Nowitzki
6. Kevin Durant
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Derrick Rose
9. Deron Williams
10. Blake Griffin
11. Pau Gasol
12. Carmelo Anthony
13. Amare Stoudamire
14. Steve Nash
15. Russell Westbrook
16. Kevin Love
17. Rajon Rondo
18. Manu Ginobili
19. Tim Duncan
20. Zach Randolph
21. Paul Pierce
22. Kevin Garnett
23. Lamarcus Aldridge
24. Chris Bosh
25. Al Horford
 
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