More than just an observation.....

#76
#76
velovol said:
Is it really fair to beat up the old staff, by saying they did not have any idea of what they were doing?

While the last few years have been tough. UT has cranked more NFL players in the last ten years than darn near every school.
I am excited about the new staff as well and think they are doing a good job,
but to act like the old staff was a bunch of idiots who were putting in 40 hour weeks is a little insane.
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I agree. I appreciate the old staff but not the self-centered head coach.
 
#78
#78
sjt18 said:
Coach Fulmer tolerated assistants that weren't up to par in some area or another. Chavis was a lazy recruiter. Many of the other guys he had weren't as good as advertised. Sanders could get highly rated players... but he couldn't actually evaluate talent very well. He couldn't tell which 4* should be 2* or which 3* should be 5*.

As in every other area, CPF let personal loyalties get in the way.
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i thought rivals determined which players would be 3*,5* not coach randy sanders
 
#79
#79
UT IE 95 said:
Name a head coach that is not self-centered.
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Good point...

I guess my problem is that I don't hold other coaches to the same standard as Fulmer because "other coaches" didn't claim to be a "Tennessee Man." Fulmer milked that angle for all it was worth to the detriment of the program.
 
#80
#80
3L with debt said:
Good point...

I guess my problem is that I don't hold other coaches to the same standard as Fulmer because "other coaches" didn't claim to be a "Tennessee Man." Fulmer milked that angle for all it was worth to the detriment of the program.
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fulmer talking about him as a "tennessee man" was the least of his/our worries, at least as it relates to things he continuously talked about in regards to the direction of the program.
 
#82
#82
Personally, I think the whole fascination with recruiting leads to greater pressure for highschool kids, and then even more pressure once they are playing in college. There are a lot of kids that handle the attention and expectations very well, but there has to be a boat load of them that are simply not ready for that kind of attention and scrutiny. I can't imagine being 18 years old and being idolized by an entire fan base before I even registered for classes. That's got to be a mountain of pressure for a kid. Then, there's the pressure of trying to boost your Rivals or Scouts rating while you're still in HS. Not a lot of high schools do drug testing, and it is easy for a young man to entertain the notion of taking the "easy way" to being bigger, faster, and stronger. In summary, recruiting is fun to keep track of during the boring offseason, but I submit that the insanity surrounding the recruiting is actually to the detriment of the kids involved, and the football community at large.
 
#83
#83
sjt18 said:
Coach Fulmer tolerated assistants that weren't up to par in some area or another. Chavis was a lazy recruiter. Many of the other guys he had weren't as good as advertised. Sanders could get highly rated players... but he couldn't actually evaluate talent very well. He couldn't tell which 4* should be 2* or which 3* should be 5*.

As in every other area, CPF let personal loyalties get in the way.
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He really was. His recruiting effort is being put to shame by someone decades older.
 
#86
#86
jakez4ut said:
he doesn't have to. he's what they refer to as "the closer".
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Monte will not be our DC long term. For the short term kids will want to come learn an nfl defense from one of the best in the business. Name one other school where the assts can go recruit and tell the kids come learn under a defensive coach that successfully coached nfl defenses for 2 decades.
 
#87
#87
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Seems to me that most of us (myself included) had no clue what REAL recruiting was. After following this staff for just a few months, I will say that the old staff doesn't have ANYTHING recruiting wise on this one.
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I don't think the previous staff has anything over this current staff at all but I also don't think fans understood how much effort the previous staff put in. You can put in tremendous efforts and still not be successful. They worked at it and effort was not an issue..
 
#88
#88
LWSVOL said:
I don't think the previous staff has anything over this current staff at all but I also don't think fans understood how much effort the previous staff put in. You can put in tremendous efforts and still not be successful. They worked at it and effort was not an issue..
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That's probably true Larry, the thing that gets me is the lack of skill players in the past 5 years. I know that has more to do with assistants than anything though.
 
#89
#89
g8terh8ter_eric said:
That's probably true Larry, the thing that gets me is the lack of skill players in the past 5 years. I know that has more to do with assistants than anything though.
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not sure it was lack of skill players as much as were they successful? They ahd some skill players but they didn't develop or didn't produce for whatever reason.

Gerald Riggs, James Banks and LaMarcus Coker are great examples of highly skilled players that had other issues that kept them from success at this level.

Another staff instead of the previous staff would likely have been no more successful with these 3 players. Most staffs may have run them off sooner or in Riggs case instead of waiting on him to come around. But the end results would ahve been the same with those kids...I'm sure if I had time, could review rosters for last 8 years for many situations the same as these 3.
 
#90
#90
LWSVOL said:
not sure it was lack of skill players as much as were they successful? They ahd some skill players but they didn't develop or didn't produce for whatever reason.

Gerald Riggs, James Banks and LaMarcus Coker are great examples of highly skilled players that had other issues that kept them from success at this level.

Another staff instead of the previous staff would likely have been no more successful with these 3 players. Most staffs may have run them off sooner or in Riggs case instead of waiting on him to come around. But the end results would ahve been the same with those kids...I'm sure if I had time, could review rosters for last 8 years for many situations the same as these 3.
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No doubt that development and off the field issues help sabotage the program.
 
#91
#91
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I would like to read that book someday, but right now keeping up with offers and what kids are saying about our school seem to be taking up most of my free time. :)
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That was a question I asked many weeks ago about this staff Vs last staff. I never followed CPF and staff during recruiting before, so do not know what or how many they offered vs this staff. Based on your comments, I see the new staff is very different from the old one. We have basically offered what, the Rivals 250? and the Rivals 50 for 2011?
 
#92
#92
UT IE 95 said:
I don't think Monte is burning both ends of the candle on the recruiting trail.
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I got here on a Thursday, and Sunday night was first day we could go out. I went with Ed Orgeron to Memphis on my first trip. I'm thinking, "I'd like to visit with kids in the morning, get a run in during the late afternoon and then do home visits later that night." My son said, "Dad, you're not even going to be in Memphis in the afternoon, you'll be in Atlanta." I had no idea. We were in four states in one day. I felt like I had been recruiting for a week. That was Day 1. I said to myself, "Welcome to the new age of recruiting." I just got into it and had a blast.
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From a Monte Q&A piece
 
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