Gun control debate (merged)

[0nelilreb]

The 2A fanatics are too scared to be sensible or even responsible.

Says the one that will vote for anyone on the left trying to take my firearms .. your opinions on my rights don’t matter .

 

[Rickyvol77]

The 2A fanatics are too scared to be sensible or even responsible.

How so? I am pro-2A like the great majority of Americans, what am i not doing that is sensible or responsible?

 

[ETV]

The 2A fanatics are too scared to be sensible or even responsible.

Do you know and/or understand the laws that are currently in place regarding firearm ownership?

 

[Mick]

Do you know and/or understand the laws that are currently in place regarding firearm ownership?

Sure, I know a person must be 21 to open carry in Washington and a person under age 18 may not own or possess a firearm.

 

[0nelilreb]

Do you know and/or understand the laws that are currently in place regarding firearm ownership?

I haven’t met one yet that has the knowledge of what is and what isn’t in place . On the other hand most 2a supporters do . One would think if you were going to try to take away a right , you’d at least brush up on the details and facts .

 

[hndog609]

How so? I am pro-2A like the great majority of Americans, what am i not doing that is sensible or responsible?

You aren't ceding sufficient chunks of an an enumerated right to match some people's definition of "sensible".

 

[ETV]

Sure, I know a person must be 21 to open carry in Washington and a person under age 18 may not own or possess a firearm.

And the federal ones?

 

[Mick]

And the federal ones?

Which one would you like to discuss? If you have a point or opinion, just come out with it. No sense beating around a bush that has been beat to death.

 

[0nelilreb]

You aren't ceding sufficient chunks of an an enumerated right to match some people's definition of "sensible".

I no longer argue with idiots that have told me I should be reasonable or rational after they have admitted they would vote for anyone coming from the left to be POTUS . Bloomberg is anti gun , not reduced access or limited anything , he and his foundation that he created are anti gunners . Some of these people in here arguing about reasonable and rational have already said they would vote for him .

 

[NorthDallas40]

We have currently have overly sensible gun legislation.

Which does nothing to prevent gun violence.

 

[InVOLuntary]

You can't have a logical discussion with illogical people.

 

[JOEY'S ALL VOL !!!]

I no longer argue with idiots that have told me I should be reasonable or rational after they have admitted they would vote for anyone coming from the left to be POTUS . Bloomberg is anti gun , not reduced access or limited anything , he and his foundation that he created are anti gunners . Some of these people in here arguing about reasonable and rational have already said they would vote for him .

 

[0nelilreb]

Which does nothing to prevent gun violence.

What ? Do you mean that our sensible speed limit laws doesn’t prevent speeding ? Does that mean our sensible breaking and entering laws won’t stop people from doing that either ? What about our sensible legislation on Fraud, Kidnapping, Murder, Rape, Extortion ? How will we ever survive ? Smh .

 

[0nelilreb]

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Amen brother . I have seen the error of my ways .

 

[NorthDallas40]

What ? Do you mean that our sensible speed limit laws doesn’t prevent speeding ? Does that mean our sensible breaking and entering laws won’t stop people from doing that either ? What about our sensible legislation on Fraud, Kidnapping, Murder, Rape, Extortion ? How will we ever survive ? Smh .

It’s almost like... PEOPLE WITH CRIMINAL INTENT HAVE NO INTENTION OF FOLLOWING THE LAW!!

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

The 2A fanatics are too scared to be sensible or even responsible.

You are talking about folks who take the defense of their lives as a personal responsibility. Also the most law abiding people in this country. Y’all want the state to protect everyone. Just so you know, that has a very poor track record.

 

[37L1]

I'm guessing this is your go to response when someone disagrees with you.

In that case, he has to use it a lot.

 

[RikidyBones]

What annoys me more than the "guns are bad" people are the "it's to protect my home and person" people. It shows that many people in this country dont know the true purpose of the 2A making guns bans even more probable in our future.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

The 2A fanatics are too scared to be sensible or even responsible.

Its hilarious that you use something like the 2nd Amendment in such a way. Of course it shouldn't be that surprising coming from someone like you.

 

[ETV]

Which one would you like to discuss? If you have a point or opinion, just come out with it. No sense beating around a bush that has been beat to death.

I'm not the one advocating for additional laws and confiscation here. Take the time to educate yourself regarding the laws currently in place.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You are talking about folks who take the defense of their lives as a personal responsibility. Also the most law abiding people in this country. Y’all want the state to protect everyone. Just so you know, that has a very poor track record.

I’m disappointed all the time when I ask people if they view it as the government’s responsibility to guarantee their safety and whether they have any responsibility in the matter or not. Then it’s immediately followed up by “but what happens if they aren’t there to protect you at the moment your life is in danger and you need them the most in that regard?” Ive never gotten a straight answer other than they acknowledge they are toast.

That doesn’t even touch on the broader topic you’re referring to.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

There it is. The age old argument to just do nothing because sensible gun legislation would be too difficult.

Ok what more do you want done? What is sensible gun legislation? And who gets to decide what is considered sensible gun legislation?

 

[NorthDallas40]

What annoys me more than the "guns are bad" people are the "it's to protect my home and person" people. It shows that many people in this country dont know the true purpose of the 2A making guns bans even more probable in our future.

Actually the concept of self defense, or personal defense of life and liberty, is reasonably closely related to the concept of deterrence of an oppressive government from encroachment on life and liberty that the two responses normally both apply I’d submit. I’m sure a few don’t know the difference, but it isn’t everyone on here who uses both of those replies.

 

[RikidyBones]

Actually the concept of self defense, or personal defense of life and liberty, is reasonably closely related to the concept of deterrence of an oppressive government from encroachment on life and liberty that the two responses normally both apply I’d submit. I’m sure a few don’t know the difference, but it isn’t everyone on here who uses both of those replies.

I would call self defense a subcategory of it but its imperative to understand that without the right, we are subject to become Venezuela.

I'm also not calling out any posters. it's something I see often though.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

I would call self defense a subcategory of it but its imperative to understand that without the right, we are subject to become Venezuela.

I'm also not calling out any posters. it's something I see often though.

Lots of folks don’t understand the meaning of an Inalienable right. They’ll just as quickly point out that the 2a says “well regulated” thinking they can be regulated. When you point out “Shall not be infringed” they want to change the subject. That’s what an inalienable right means, it cannot be taken away.