Gun control debate (merged)

[Mick]

Well they’re rooted in your reality anyway

Technically correct but shared by the majority of the population with truth to back it up the beliefs.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Technically correct but shared by the majority of the population with truth to back it up the beliefs.

Nah not really.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Good question. It may not even be diagnosis specific. It could be just one subsets of criteria like violent tendencies or delusions.

That part is gonna get very sticky. Psychology is sometimes a guessing game.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Always wondered why more don't do this. Unlikely to happen in my FL county though

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Gainesville police buy back 134 local guns

But did they give them grand theft auto to go with the one box?

 

[DancingOutlaw]

You bolded it like you're shocked by that statement. Just think if there was mental health reporting to the BGC system, they would be able to make recommendations about which people are violent and shouldn't own guns.

The APA is saying that mentally ill people aren’t doing this. So what will enhanced checks stop?

 

[Mick]

That part is gonna get very sticky. Psychology is sometimes a guessing game.

Not really. They get at the thought process and emotional state for behaviors. Some may be better than others in that regard.

 

[Mick]

The APA is saying that mentally ill people aren’t doing this. So what will enhanced checks stop?

You asked this last night.

They're not saying that, they're saying 4 in 5 of the mass killers have no prior mental health record. They did not opine on HIPAA and background checks. Could've mental health reporting prevented that one from purchasing a gun? Possible.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

 

[Mick]

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What idiot lays their gun on a sloppy cheeseburger?

 

[Mick]

If a person actually fails a BG check because of felony, illegal status the cops should be called.

Does anyone have the proposed amendment?

 

[DynaLo]

It's always been about an eventual gun grab and it will always be about an eventual gun grab from the dems.

 

[superdave1984]

It's always been about an eventual gun grab and it will always be about an eventual gun grab from the dems.

According to these folks Gun Violence Archive the number of total gun deaths in the US this year is 9,086. That does not include suicides. I believe gun deaths are preventable, but I do not have the solution.
The flu kills over 50,000 every year. Preventable for the most part. There is no public outrage over it.
Drunk driving kills over 10,000 every year. Also preventable. There is no public outrage over it.
Drug overdose kills over 60,000 every year. There is no public outrage over it.
Abortion kills over 500,000 every year. Also preventable. There is some public outrage over it, but that's a whole different discussion.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

You asked this last night.

You’re quoting Sen. Murphy, not the APA.

 

[Mick]

You’re quoting Sen. Murphy, not the APA.

You really not going to like the actual statement"

"Our condolences are with the families and friends of those killed or injured in these horrific shootings and with all Americans affected every day by the twin horrors of hate and gun violence.

“As our nation tries to process the unthinkable yet again, it is clearer than ever that we are facing a public health crisis of gun violence fueled by racism, bigotry and hatred. The combination of easy access to assault weapons and hateful rhetoric is toxic. Psychological science has demonstrated that social contagion — the spread of thoughts, emotions and behaviors from person to person and among larger groups — is real, and may well be a factor, at least in the El Paso shooting.

“That shooting is being investigated as a hate crime, as it should be. Psychological science has demonstrated the damage that racism can inflict on its targets. Racism has been shown to have negative cognitive and behavioral effects on both children and adults and to increase anxiety, depression, self-defeating thoughts and avoidance behaviors.

“Routinely blaming mass shootings on mental illness is unfounded and stigmatizing. Research has shown that only a very small percentage of violent acts are committed by people who are diagnosed with, or in treatment for, mental illness. The rates of mental illness are roughly the same around the world, yet other countries are not experiencing these traumatic events as often as we face them. One critical factor is access to, and the lethality of, the weapons that are being used in these crimes. Adding racism, intolerance and bigotry to the mix is a recipe for disaster.

“If we want to address the gun violence that is tearing our country apart, we must keep our focus on finding evidence-based solutions. This includes restricting access to guns for people who are at risk for violence and working with psychologists and other experts to find solutions to the intolerance that is infecting our nation and the public dialogue.”

Statement of APA President in Response to Mass Shootings in Texas, Ohio

 

[DancingOutlaw]

You really not going to like the actual statement"

"Our condolences are with the families and friends of those killed or injured in these horrific shootings and with all Americans affected every day by the twin horrors of hate and gun violence.

“As our nation tries to process the unthinkable yet again, it is clearer than ever that we are facing a public health crisis of gun violence fueled by racism, bigotry and hatred. The combination of easy access to assault weapons and hateful rhetoric is toxic. Psychological science has demonstrated that social contagion — the spread of thoughts, emotions and behaviors from person to person and among larger groups — is real, and may well be a factor, at least in the El Paso shooting.

“That shooting is being investigated as a hate crime, as it should be. Psychological science has demonstrated the damage that racism can inflict on its targets. Racism has been shown to have negative cognitive and behavioral effects on both children and adults and to increase anxiety, depression, self-defeating thoughts and avoidance behaviors.

“Routinely blaming mass shootings on mental illness is unfounded and stigmatizing. Research has shown that only a very small percentage of violent acts are committed by people who are diagnosed with, or in treatment for, mental illness. The rates of mental illness are roughly the same around the world, yet other countries are not experiencing these traumatic events as often as we face them. One critical factor is access to, and the lethality of, the weapons that are being used in these crimes. Adding racism, intolerance and bigotry to the mix is a recipe for disaster.

“If we want to address the gun violence that is tearing our country apart, we must keep our focus on finding evidence-based solutions. This includes restricting access to guns for people who are at risk for violence and working with psychologists and other experts to find solutions to the intolerance that is infecting our nation and the public dialogue.”

Statement of APA President in Response to Mass Shootings in Texas, Ohio

? It says access to guns and hateful rhetoric are to blame. So for the tenth time what will enhanced mental checks do? The APA says mental people aren’t doing this. Or can they not be trusted?

 

[82_VOL_83]

I'm sorry.

Fify

 

[Mick]

? It says access to guns and hateful rhetoric are to blame. So for the tenth time what will enhanced mental checks do? The APA says mental people aren’t doing this. Or can they not be trusted?

Stop that one and the is enough. I think you're scared and can't accept the answers I provide. Do you have a mental illness because it seems so?

 

[Mick]

Fify

I bet you think you're clever. That's about the most mindless response someone could make. You always live up to the standards I have set for you.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I bet you think you're clever. That's about the most mindless response someone could make. You always live up to the standards I have set for you.

Once you understand your standards mean absolutely dick to anyone but you, you will sleep better at night.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

I bet you think you're clever. That's about the most mindless response someone could make. You always live up to the standards I have set for you.

You're in a mood today. Your wife pick out the wrong outfit for you to wear to work?

 

[Mick]

Once you understand your standards mean absolutely dick to anyone but you, you will sleep better at night.

I sleep well.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Stop that one and the is enough. I think you're scared and can't accept the answers I provide. Do you have a mental illness because it seems so?

Are we reading the same thing? What do you think it says?

 

[DynaLo]

If hateful rhetoric is fueling the shootings somebody needs to tell the Dems to STFU and stop spewing so much hatred.

Stop calling everyone that disagrees with you a racist or a bigot or both, among other inflammatory labels.

 

[37L1]

You really not going to like the actual statement"

"Our condolences are with the families and friends of those killed or injured in these horrific shootings and with all Americans affected every day by the twin horrors of hate and gun violence.

“As our nation tries to process the unthinkable yet again, it is clearer than ever that we are facing a public health crisis of gun violence fueled by racism, bigotry and hatred. The combination of easy access to assault weapons and hateful rhetoric is toxic. Psychological science has demonstrated that social contagion — the spread of thoughts, emotions and behaviors from person to person and among larger groups — is real, and may well be a factor, at least in the El Paso shooting.

“That shooting is being investigated as a hate crime, as it should be. Psychological science has demonstrated the damage that racism can inflict on its targets. Racism has been shown to have negative cognitive and behavioral effects on both children and adults and to increase anxiety, depression, self-defeating thoughts and avoidance behaviors.

“Routinely blaming mass shootings on mental illness is unfounded and stigmatizing. Research has shown that only a very small percentage of violent acts are committed by people who are diagnosed with, or in treatment for, mental illness. The rates of mental illness are roughly the same around the world, yet other countries are not experiencing these traumatic events as often as we face them. One critical factor is access to, and the lethality of, the weapons that are being used in these crimes. Adding racism, intolerance and bigotry to the mix is a recipe for disaster.

“If we want to address the gun violence that is tearing our country apart, we must keep our focus on finding evidence-based solutions. This includes restricting access to guns for people who are at risk for violence and working with psychologists and other experts to find solutions to the intolerance that is infecting our nation and the public dialogue.”

Statement of APA President in Response to Mass Shootings in Texas, Ohio

Oh come now.

This guy isn't mental?

Or this guy?

Or this guy?

Or this guy?

Or this guy?

Or this guy?

Were all these incidents "fueled by racism, bigotry and hatred" or because these guys were nuttier than squirrel crap?

I don't think the guy who wrote this was being objective at all and was offering his "learned opinion" based more on his own opinions and interpretations colored by his very strong anti-gun bias. He was reacting to the El Paso and Dayton shootings, coloring most mass shootings with a very broad brush leaving out the obvious mental disease involved in a lot of previous mass shootings. How convenient.

I'm not a Doctor but I once stayed at a Holiday Inn.