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It angers me watching the national sports media defend Greg Schiano today and try to smear the brave Tennesseeans who stood up against his hire to one of the most prominent positions in the entire state as 'dumb hillbillies.' It's a clear reminder why sexual abuse continues to happen.


Let's review the facts here:

Schiano may have been aware of Sanduky's crimes. Mike McQueary named Schiano as someone who had witnessed Jerry Sandusky's actions in the Sandusky child molestation trial. This information became public knowledge in 2016, so this is fairly recent, and a lot of people still don't know about it. It was not public knowledge at the time Schiano was hired at Ohio State.

Schiano's denial is not "proof" of innocence. Schiano denied knowledge, as did former Penn State assistant Bradley. The sports media and coaching cabal says "oh well ... Schiano is cleared." Like seriously. Sworn testimony in a court of law from a guy who had everything to lose by telling the truth is just summarily dismissed b/c football coaches (who are as bad as cops about protecting "their own") say "oh ... he's a good guy."

Schiano's "high integrity" story refuted by Tampa Bay. The problem is further exacerbated because the "Schiano is a high character guy" is directly refuted by his time in Tampa Bay, where he known as an abusive autocrat who actually spied on his players, lied constantly, rigged team captain votes, and pretty much alienated everyone within the program. Ask the guys who played under Schiano at Tampa Bay about his "high integrity." At least one player compared playing under Schiano to being in Communist Cuba. Do you think a guy like that would stand up against sexual abuse? Or do you think a petty autocrat who tries to control information might try to hide information about sexual abuse? Several NFL insiders have also said Schiano is low character / low class as it gets and hiring him would be a disaster for any program. He's even been in a heated disputes with players (including former Vol Peyton Manning) over one of his tactics which involves trying to take out the knees of unprotected players at the end of games during the "kneel-down" play. During his time in the NFL, he showed the exact opposite of integrity.

UT Message Boards Did More Through Due Diligence than Athletic Department.
Tennessee Volunteer fans did more thorough due diligence on Schiano than the Tennessee Athletic Department and several other schools. The crazy thing is most of this information is readily available via Google. But phone calls to Bill Belichick and Urban Meyer and a couple of other coaches apparently nullifies any accusations ever leveled against him. Nevermind that this same "vetting process" would've said Jerry Sandusky was A-OK. The UT Vols message board and Twitter communities are very active. There's been a lot of discussion about potential coaching candidates. No candidate attracted as near universal disgust as Schiano did. This is primarily because his questionable integrity became obvious in the heated message board discussions where everyone was forced to deal with his long track record of questionable ethics. People are not willing to overlook the statement by Mike McQueary (who is viewed by the public as a much more honest and reliable witness) than Schiano (who has a long record of lying and manipulating and less than stellar integrity.)

"Guilt" is a standard for a court of law; not for major high-profile positions. We'll never know the precise facts regarding Schiano's knowledge of Sandusky's crimes, but the idea that you just make a man this with long of a track record of ethical issues the face of one of the nation's largest public universities, hand him a $5 million salary, and put him in charge of hundreds of people (including many young impressionable 18 - 23 year old men) just because Bill Belichick says "he's OK" is ludicrous. "Guilt beyond a reasonable doubt" is not the standard. "Proven integrity" should be the standard for a high-profile public position. That standard is nowhere close to being met by Schiano. Obviously, no one is perfect and many football coaches have flawed records, but there are much larger question marks about Schiano than any other candidate mentioned. You can't hire a guy simply with questionable integrity simply because his integrity hasn't been debunked in a criminal trial in a court of law.

Tennessee fans were right. I'm proud of the Tennessee fans that shut this down. We were 100% in the right. You don't make this guy one of the most powerful persons in the state of Tennessee and the face of the flagship university when you have major questions about whether he'd stand up to sexual abuse. The Art Briles scandal at Baylor happened just a few years ago, and the media is seriously trying to say we have no legitimate concerns? The hire may have very well destroyed the entire program. Contrary to the media's biased reporting, this was not a "football thing." Many of us UT fans would've been disappointed with a mediocre hire, but we still would've supported the team.

Schiano was the line in the sand
. He was a mediocre hire whose integrity was very much at question. It honestly would bring tears to my eyes to know that a man who may have protected Jerry Sandusky would be wearing Tennessee orange on the sidelines and speaking as the voice of the community. A poor coach is one thing; this was quite another.


The national sports media should be ashamed for trying to demonize Tennessseans for standing up against sexual abuse. With all the stuff that has come out against Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Roy Moore, John Conyers, etc, etc, etc, you'd think a small group of Tennesseans who took a hard-line against sexual abuse would be hailed as heroes. Instead, we're being treated like 'dumb hillbillies' who 'think they deserve too much.' And then the media wonders how sexual abuse continues to happen. The allegations against Schiano have not been proven in a court of law, but that doesn't mean we should rush out and hire the guy just because Urban Meyer and Bill Belichick vouch for him. These are major question marks for a person leading young men and Schiano does not met the standards of integrity that should be expected.
 
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Re media is reading. Half the crap on my Facebook feeds are "sports writers" quoting things off volnation that are days old. This is a powerful board.

Good post btw op.
 
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Said it last night, I'll say it again.

These same talking heads bashing TN like Herbstreit and Forde for the backlash against Schiano are the same talking heads who would have ripped UT today for hiring a .500 coach with many of the same character traits of the guy that was just fired.
 
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Nice post, DG.

And on the off chance that one or more members of the media do actually visit VN.com and notice your well-titled thread, I'll repost here something I put in another thread first...the media should consider it along with your comments in the OP (there is overlap, of course):

JP in another thread: said:
One of the themes running in media circles right now is that Tennessee fans (the more disparaging reporters call us "social media rabble," as if there aren't real people behind the keyboards) had no idea where Greg Schiano fit in the Sandusky story, or even knew who Schiano was prior to yesterday.

This is playing on a stereotype (or a couple of different stereotypes, if you include the "social media rabble" bit) on their part, an attempt to portray Vols fans as Southerners disconnected from "real America."

Yes, we knew of Greg Schiano when he led Rutgers to uncharacteristic success. Every football fan in America knew of him in those years. We did not know (at least, I didn't) that he coached for Paterno at Penn State, though it was fairly common knowledge that he came from Miami just prior to being named head coach at Rutgers. We followed his success at Rutgers along with the rest of the nation.

Those of us who also follow pro football knew of Schiano's two years in the NFL.

And yes, we were certainly aware in 2016 that revealed court documents indicated key prosecution witness and whistle-blower Mike McQueary believed Schiano was among those who knew of Sandusky's criminal acts long before they were reported. It was a national story; all of the U.S. was aware, particularly all who follow college football.

So for the media (and Penn State fans) to pretend that we're just a rabble of uninformed hicks from the Appalachians is disingenuous, at best.

For Currie not to know all the above, if he didn't, that's incompetence.
 
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Exactly. Anyone thinking Schiano can be hired at this point is nuts. Would be a PR nightmare. Especially after he went after Peyton dirty. Peyton is our poster child, and Schiano tried to hurt him. How out of touch with reality do you have to be to consider him as head coach of this University.
 
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Said it last night, I'll say it again.

These same talking heads bashing TN like Herbstreit and Forde for the backlash against Schiano are the same talking heads who would have ripped UT today for hiring a .500 coach with many of the same character traits of the guy that was just fired.

I put basically the same thing on twitter last night
 
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Another detail I have yet to see in a media report...

It really doesn't matter if it's correct to implicate Schiano in Sandusky's crimes. You can choose to believe the guy when he says he never saw anything, or not believe him. You simply cannot, though, remove his involvement in Penn State's program during a dark, dark time. It's unfortunate, and a darned shame if you happen to believe the guy, but he's going to have a stigma attached to him simply for having been there at the wrong time - even if he's honestly in the clear.

Tennessee could, of course, make a statement and say "we believe him" and offer him the job. That appears to have been what happened, before the ensuing uproar turned things around in their tracks. What Tennessee could never do, though, is force every other university we're competing against to follow suit on the recruiting trail.

Hiring Schiano would have been tantamount to saying "we'll just recruit with one hand tied behind our back, thanks". Every single university we compete against would have been playing that card, and it's scathingly shortsighted not to have ruled out the hire based on that alone.
 
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To the OP - thank you for this great post!
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Another detail I have yet to see in a media report...

It really doesn't matter if it's correct to implicate Schiano in Sandusky's crimes. You can choose to believe the guy when he says he never saw anything, or not believe him. You simply cannot, though, remove his involvement in Penn State's program during a dark, dark time. It's unfortunate, and a darned shame if you happen to believe the guy, but he's going to have a stigma attached to him simply for having been there at the wrong time - even if he's honestly in the clear.

Tennessee could, of course, make a statement and say "we believe him" and offer him the job. That appears to have been what happened, before the ensuing uproar turned things around in their tracks. What Tennessee could never do, though, is force every other university we're competing against to follow suit on the recruiting trail.

Hiring Schiano would have been tantamount to saying "we'll just recruit with one hand tied behind our back, thanks". Every single university we compete against would have been playing that card, and it's scathingly shortsighted not to have ruled out the hire based on that alone.

Like it was said on UT Locker Room yesterday, Perception becomes reality in a situation like this. He'll be guilty by association regardless of his conduct
 
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It angers me watching the national sports media defend Greg Schiano today and try to smear the brave Tennesseeans who stood up against his hire to one of the most prominent positions in the entire state as 'dumb hillbillies.' It's a clear reminder why sexual abuse continues to happen.


Let's review the facts here:

Schiano may have been aware of Sanduky's crimes. Mike McQueary named Schiano as someone who had witnessed Jerry Sandusky's actions in the Sandusky child molestation trial. This information became public knowledge in 2016, so this is fairly recent, and a lot of people still don't know about it. It was not public knowledge at the time Schiano was hired at Ohio State.

Schiano's denial is not "proof" of innocence. Schiano denied knowledge, as did former Penn State assistant Bradley. The sports media and coaching cabal says "oh well ... Schiano is cleared." Like seriously. Sworn testimony in a court of law from a guy who had everything to lose by telling the truth is just summarily dismissed b/c football coaches (who are as bad as cops about protecting "their own") say "oh ... he's a good guy."

Schiano's "high integrity" story refuted by Tampa Bay. The problem is further exacerbated because the "Schiano is a high character guy" is directly refuted by his time in Tampa Bay, where he known as an abusive autocrat who actually spied on his players, lied constantly, rigged team captain votes, and pretty much alienated everyone within the program. Ask the guys who played under Schiano at Tampa Bay about his "high integrity." At least one player compared playing under Schiano to being in Communist Cuba. Do you think a guy like that would stand up against sexual abuse? Or do you think a petty autocrat who tries to control information might try to hide information about sexual abuse? Several NFL insiders have also said Schiano is low character / low class as it gets and hiring him would be a disaster for any program. He's even been in a heated disputes with players (including former Vol Peyton Manning) over one of his tactics which involves trying to take out the knees of unprotected players at the end of games during the "kneel-down" play. During his time in the NFL, he showed the exact opposite of integrity.

UT Message Boards Did More Through Due Diligence than Athletic Department.
Tennessee Volunteer fans did more thorough due diligence on Schiano than the Tennessee Athletic Department and several other schools. The crazy thing is most of this information is readily available via Google. But phone calls to Bill Belichick and Urban Meyer and a couple of other coaches apparently nullifies any accusations ever leveled against him. Nevermind that this same "vetting process" would've said Jerry Sandusky was A-OK. The UT Vols message board and Twitter communities are very active. There's been a lot of discussion about potential coaching candidates. No candidate attracted as near universal disgust as Schiano did. This is primarily because his questionable integrity became obvious in the heated message board discussions where everyone was forced to deal with his long track record of questionable ethics. People are not willing to overlook the statement by Mike McQueary (who is viewed by the public as a much more honest and reliable witness) than Schiano (who has a long record of lying and manipulating and less than stellar integrity.)

"Guilt" is a standard for a court of law; not for major high-profile positions. We'll never know the precise facts regarding Schiano's knowledge of Sandusky's crimes, but the idea that you just make a man this with long of a track record of ethical issues the face of one of the nation's largest public universities, hand him a $5 million salary, and put him in charge of hundreds of people (including many young 18 - 23 year old men) just because Bill Belichick says "he's OK" is ludicrous. "Guilt beyond a reasonable doubt" is not the standard. "Proven integrity" should be the standard for a high-profile public position. That standard is nowhere close to being met by Schiano. Obviously, no one is perfect and many football coaches have flawed records, but there are much larger question marks about Schiano than any other candidate mentioned. You can't hire a guy simply with questionable integrity simply because his integrity hasn't been debunked in a criminal trial in a court of law.

Tennessee fans were right. I'm proud of the Tennessee fans that shut this down. We were 100% in the right. You don't make this guy one of the most powerful persons in the state of Tennessee and the face of the flagship university when you have major questions about whether he'd stand up to sexual abuse. The Art Briles scandal at Baylor happened just a few years ago, and the media is seriously trying to say we have no legitimate concerns? The hire may have very well destroyed the entire program. Contrary to the media's biased reporting, this was not a "football thing." Many of us UT fans would've been disappointed with a mediocre hire, but we still would've supported the team.

Schiano was the line in the sand
. He was a mediocre hire whose integrity was very much at question. It honestly would bring tears to my eyes to know that a man who may have protected Jerry Sandusky would be wearing Tennessee orange on the sidelines and speaking as the voice of the community. A poor coach is one thing; this was quite another.


The national sports media should be ashamed for trying to demonize Tennessseans for standing up against sexual abuse. With all the stuff that has come out against Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Roy Moore, John Conyers, etc, etc, etc, you'd think a small group of Tennesseans who took a hard-line against sexual abuse would be hailed as heroes. Instead, we're being treated like 'dumb hillbillies' who 'think they deserve too much.' And then the media wonders how sexual abuse continues to happen. The allegations against Schiano have not been proven in a court of law, but that doesn't mean we should rush out and hire the guy just because Urban Meyer and Bill Belichick vouch for him. These are major question marks for a person leading young men and Schiano does not met the standards of integrity that should be expected.



1....We should raise $$$$ and pay to post this in the news all across America.

2...The fact that he's not nearly a good enough coach for our Tennessee footVol Team is just 1 reason he should never have even been considered.

3...When recruiting young kids all of our coaches should be men and women of unquestioned integrity and morals because we are asking parents to trust us to help raise and mold their children into intelligent, decent adults while attending the University of Tennessee.

Yes, we want to WIN Championships in all our sports and we now demand excellent coaches to help reach those goals but we're also responsible to the kids and their families to help mentor good, respectable young adults as well.

Wins alone in any sport is NOT good enough for the serious fans of Tennessee, we demand much more for our student athletes for their future Success.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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OP, I believe this message needs to be sent out via social media. I copied it and posted it myself on my page. The national media needs to hear from us! I suggest we all circulate DGĀ’s post through every social media outlet we have.
 
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Another detail I have yet to see in a media report...

It really doesn't matter if it's correct to implicate Schiano in Sandusky's crimes. You can choose to believe the guy when he says he never saw anything, or not believe him. You simply cannot, though, remove his involvement in Penn State's program during a dark, dark time. It's unfortunate, and a darned shame if you happen to believe the guy, but he's going to have a stigma attached to him simply for having been there at the wrong time - even if he's honestly in the clear.

Tennessee could, of course, make a statement and say "we believe him" and offer him the job. That appears to have been what happened, before the ensuing uproar turned things around in their tracks. What Tennessee could never do, though, is force every other university we're competing against to follow suit on the recruiting trail.

Hiring Schiano would have been tantamount to saying "we'll just recruit with one hand tied behind our back, thanks". Every single university we compete against would have been playing that card, and it's scathingly shortsighted not to have ruled out the hire based on that alone.

This is a fact, and even Gator, UGA, LSU, MIZZ fans I saw posting on other sites mentioned this and backed VN.
 
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exactly and everything you said is 100% right.

this should be picked up and posted by a large media site.
 
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