McShay just called Berry a 3rd year sophomore?

#27
#27
UNAVol89 said:
Mel Kiper and Todd McShay are both idiots.


I prefer McShay, though, because he doesn't look like friggin' Conway Twitty.
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Kiper is obnoxious, pompous, and full of himself...but he's good at what he does. McShay is just embarrasing. He has Colt McCoy as one of his top 5 NFL prospects for next year. Wow.

Don't get me wrong, McCoy is a phenomenal cfb player, but no NFL team is going to draft him as their franchise QB. It's like McShay doesn't understand that the NFL is a different league.
 
#28
#28
weezy potter said:
i saw mcshay's comments on eric berry too, he believes USC's safety Taylor Mays will be drafted ahead of EB.

with that being said, a little background on McShay, he use to run Scouts.com, and when espn bought scouts, they gave McShay a job.

when it comes to grading high school talent, rivals is far more accurate than scouts, and apparently, mcshay/scouts ability to grade college talent/draft projections isn't as good either.
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Scout.com and Scout inc. are not the same.
 
#29
#29
Got to hand it to him, Kiper knows his stuff. He is almost borderline eccentric, just observing his demeanor and expressions. I liked his pick of Ayers for defensive rookie of the year, which was a tad risky. It's obvious Kiper has done his homework and noticed that Ayers is a late bloomer, and has yet to reach his full potential. McShay isn't bad, but he's still learning from Kiper. He'll eventually be on Kiper's level, hair and all.
 
#30
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weezy potter said:
i saw mcshay's comments on eric berry too, he believes USC's safety Taylor Mays will be drafted ahead of EB.

with that being said, a little background on McShay, he use to run Scouts.com, and when espn bought scouts, they gave McShay a job.

when it comes to grading high school talent, rivals is far more accurate than scouts, and apparently, mcshay/scouts ability to grade college talent/draft projections isn't as good either.
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I'm pretty sure ESPN bought Scouts INC, which is completely different from scout.com

And he said that Mays was the best 4th or 5th year safety. He didn't mention Berry because he didn't do any true juniors.
 
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bburger991 said:
I'm pretty sure ESPN bought Scouts INC, which is completely different from scout.com

And he said that Mays was the best 4th or 5th year safety. He didn't mention Berry because he didn't do any true juniors.
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my bad, never knew there was a difference. so what then does scout inc. do? or what did they do..

as far as taylor mays, what i saw on espn, was mcshay's top five draft picks, regardless of class, he had taylor mays at like 4 or 5, but no eric berry. so maybe when you saw him he was talking about senior or super seniors, but he wasn't when i saw it.
 
#33
#33
Scouts INC does like all of the draft ratings, stats, blah blah for ESPN I think.

And I know what your talking about. It was the top draft eligible players. Kiper did everyone, including 3rd year juniors and McShay just did 4th or 5th year players.

Was McShays list like
Sam Bradford
Gerald McCoy
Russell Okung
Taylor Mays
Colt McCoy?
 
#34
#34
justingroves said:
Mike Williams
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Pretty much everyone was on Mike Williams and for good reasons. It's his season off that killed him. Along with his laziness, but it isn't like Kiper was reaching very far with that evaluation because it was pretty much unanimous on what the opinion of Mike Williams was.

At least amongst the "experts".
 
#35
#35
bburger991 said:
Scouts INC does like all of the draft ratings, stats, blah blah for ESPN I think.

And I know what your talking about. It was the top draft eligible players. Kiper did everyone, including 3rd year juniors and McShay just did 4th or 5th year players.

Was McShays list like
Sam Bradford
Gerald McCoy
Russell Okung
Taylor Mays
Colt McCoy?
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yeah, that list looks about right.

not to get too off subject, but when i saw that i thought "colt mccoy, really?", but today on the sports animal they had a woman from austin, tx talking about texas football and she mentioned that colt mccoy was 6'3", my initial thoughts, were no way. she went on to say he looks a lot shorter than he is, needless to say i was shocked, i thought the kid was barely 6'0".
 
#36
#36
And McShay just did a mock draft for next year. Berry isn't even in the top 10 and Mays was #8

And yeah, McCoy doesn't seem like a great NFL QB to me. He is actually 6'3 I think, but it seems like he plays a lot smaller than he is. He's kinda the opposite of Crabtree.

I didn't realize Okung was so highly thought of though.
 
#37
#37
When Bradford, Tebow, and McCoy were standing next to each other at the Heisman ceremony, it appeared that Bradford was 6'4, Tebow was 6'2, and McCoy was 6'1.
 
#39
#39
Basically

Mayock=Most connected. He knows what the teams are going to do and what they tell him
Kiper=Generally best talent scout of the guys on TV
McShay=Kinda inbetween, but not really good at either.
 
#40
#40
Yeah, I'm a frequent poster on an NFL draft site and the consensus seems to be:

1) Kiper a.k.a. The Godfather
2) Mayock























McShay
 
#41
#41
bburger991 said:
And McShay just did a mock draft for next year. Berry isn't even in the top 10 and Mays was #8

And yeah, McCoy doesn't seem like a great NFL QB to me. He is actually 6'3 I think, but it seems like he plays a lot smaller than he is. He's kinda the opposite of Crabtree.

I didn't realize Okung was so highly thought of though.
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He didnt include Berry because he hasnt been on campus for four years.

Only players who are entering their fourth year on campus are a part of this projection, including Bradford and Penn State OLB Navorro Bowman.
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#43
#43
Mcshame is a jacka$$ , if you watched the draft you would agree. Kiper is the original and McShame is a joke.
 
#44
#44
you can tell kiper hates mcshay like he's a younger potential replacement of him
 
#46
#46
I was watching College Football Live 2day and saw Todd's top 10 for next years draft. Get this, Berry is not in the top ten, and nine of the top ten are all from the Big 12 conference with the exception of Taylor Mays going to the 49ers with the ninth pick,lol.
 
#47
#47
McShay was trying to avoid early-enrollees to the draft, so he is being unfairly criticized here.

That said, both McShay and Kiper are clowns.

Mike Mayock is the cash money baller of the group. He evaluates talent better than anyone else, IMO. That said, no matter how well you can evaluate talent, constructing a mock draft is still an inexact science, because there are too many variables. Mock drafts are pretty worthless IMO.
 
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vols5790 said:
I was watching College Football Live 2day and saw Todd's top 10 for next years draft. Get this, Berry is not in the top ten, and nine of the top ten are all from the Big 12 conference with the exception of Taylor Mays going to the 49ers with the ninth pick,lol.
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He's a damn idiot
 
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