Maurer listed as the starter for Bama

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sjt18 said:
You say that then to describe him you use terms of contempt like "glass jaw". You don't have to like him... but you increase the likelihood that bias plays into your opinions if you don't admit it to yourself.

And you again base that on an unfounded bias. He's listed at 193 and that number goes back to the spring or earlier. There's a good chance he's gained at least a little. But you have a narrative you're pushing because you don't want him to be the starter... so you see him as too thin. I don't know how much he weighs. I do tend to trust coaches on stuff like that.


The problem with that is that your "bigger, stronger more experienced player" has been ineffective due to decision making issues since he stepped on to the field. It seems to be something in his make up. They thought they had him fixed but didn't.

You still haven't said why you think he was replaced since you have such a strong opinion about Maurer not being ready. I don't think Maurer is ready either. Most Fr aren't. Many are forced into duty and have to develop on the job. But here we are. The coaches have soured on JG as the starter. They feel that Maurer who may well be 20 lbs smaller than Shrout... is the better next option.
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I think they tried Maurer to see if he could spark the team, much like CJP tried orange pants. Maybe he thinks JG is better off the bench and are trying that route, maybe they just gave up on JG which I think is the last thing they would do. I'm thinking that both continue to play all season this year. JG has made winning plays in the Vols 2 wins and played very average in the losses, I don't think Pruitt has given up on him yet and believe he'll still play a bunch. I'd be surprised if BM plays this week and it would not surprise me to see JG play well vs Alabama.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Its not really my opinion or invention.

Most coaches in varying sports practice the idea. Its why elite programs like Bama have FR on the field every year after recruiting better than every school every year.
In most cases its not because the FR is head and shoulders above a Jr. Its because there isn't a lot of difference between them other than one has a lot more time and room to improve.
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Not true at the QB position. Very few play as Fr and very few have success when they do. Coaches try to avoid playing Fr at QB at all cost, always have and always will.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
I think they tried Maurer to see if he could spark the team, much like CJP tried orange pants.
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Did you seriously just equate a QB change with changing uniform pants?

Maybe he thinks JG is better off the bench and are trying that route, maybe they just gave up on JG which I think is the last thing they would do.
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It is the last thing they'd want to do... but Maurer playing indicates that's what they've done. The only way he "plays better off the bench" is if like this game you want to play not to lose.

I'm thinking that both continue to play all season this year. JG has made winning plays in the Vols 2 wins and played very average in the losses,
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He's played poorly and paralyzed the O in the early season losses. His unwillingness to fire down field makes the O easy to defend.

I don't think Pruitt has given up on him yet and believe he'll still play a bunch. I'd be surprised if BM plays this week and it would not surprise me to see JG play well vs Alabama.
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Wow. I'm not sure how you can NOT see it. JG is TOO RISK AVERSE EVEN WHEN THERE'S VIRTUALLY NO RISK. He doesn't throw guys open.

Pruitt gave the specific reason they made the change. He does not make plays down field even with open receivers or receivers breaking open. The ONLY reason to go to Maurer or Shrout is that JG has proven he can't do what they're asking. If there was any progress at all... any glimmer that he was starting to "get it" then that would make a change crazy. But they did make the change and it was nothing like changing pants.

Maurer is playing not particularly because Maurer is ready or a "good" option... but because JG has proven to be a bad option.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Not true at the QB position. Very few play as Fr and very few have success when they do. Coaches try to avoid playing Fr at QB at all cost, always have and always will.
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You recognize this truth... and still can't connect the dots? They don't want to play a Fr. JG's poor play has left them no choice but to try a Fr or continue to lose the same way.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Not true at the QB position. Very few play as Fr and very few have success when they do. Coaches try to avoid playing Fr at QB at all cost, always have and always will.
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20 years ago Id agree. Not so much any more.

QB's are a lot more prepared now for the college game than they used to be when they stepped on campus. EE has helped that among other things.

It used to be you would never dream of playing a FR unless you were forced to. Now they throw them in for guys that were successful and experienced and dont look back. When your RS JR is struggling much less being successful it makes it a lot easier.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Why would Bailey need a redshirt year but Maurer doesn't? Bailey is much more developed physically than our 2 Fr QBs right now as a HS Sr.
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Didn't say Maurer didn't need a rs yr. I think he should've. Bailey will be in better situation to rs because we should have quality qb availability next year with JG, Maurer, Hill, and possibly Shrout. Even if JG leaves, we will have Hill and Maurer. Why not rs Bailey. IMO, he won't be ahead of Hill and Maurer with him being a true frosh.
 
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BeecherVol said:
20 years ago Id agree. Not so much any more.

QB's are a lot more prepared now for the college game than they used to be when they stepped on campus. EE has helped that among other things.

It used to be you would never dream of playing a FR unless you were forced to. Now they throw them in for guys that were successful and experienced and dont look back. When your RS JR is struggling much less being successful it makes it a lot easier.
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There are 130+ programs out there, name these true freshmen that are starting and developing well. I'll help you get started Tua, Lawrence, Fromm and Hurts, name me 4 more.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
I think they tried Maurer to see if he could spark the team, much like CJP tried orange pants. Maybe he thinks JG is better off the bench and are trying that route, maybe they just gave up on JG which I think is the last thing they would do. I'm thinking that both continue to play all season this year. JG has made winning plays in the Vols 2 wins and played very average in the losses, I don't think Pruitt has given up on him yet and believe he'll still play a bunch. I'd be surprised if BM plays this week and it would not surprise me to see JG play well vs Alabama.
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Tried him? He's started 2 SEC games in a row. If it was just to see if JG would responded after the pine time JG would have started against State.

JG's play being defined as "average" against BYU and UF is extremely kind. He was terrible against BYU and just slightly less against a better UF defense.

It won't surprise me if JG gets snaps going forward either but he'll need to play more like a Rs JR and not a FR for it to matter in the big picture.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
There are 130+ programs out there, name these true freshmen that are starting and developing well. I'll help you get started Tua, Lawrence, Fromm and Hurts, name me 4 more.
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You named 3 just in this league that are either still in this league or playing at another elite football school. Maybe you re getting it better than I thought.

And the point isn't whether they led their team to SEC or NC or won either, which all of those have. Maurer didn't replace Hurts or Bryant. He replaced a 4 year guy that hadn't played like a 4 year guy all year. Don't confuse the difference.
 
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BeecherVol said:
You named 3 just in this league that are either still in this league or playing at another elite football school. Maybe you re getting it better than I thought.

And the point isn't whether they led their team to SEC or NC or won either, which all of those have. Maurer didn't replace Hurts or Bryant. He replaced a 4 year guy that hadn't played like a 4 year guy all year. Don't confuse the difference.
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Less than 5% is not a very big number. It's uncommon and there is no reason for us to be doing it now.
 
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orangemadam said:
Didn't say Maurer didn't need a rs yr. I think he should've. Bailey will be in better situation to rs because we should have quality qb availability next year with JG, Maurer, Hill, and possibly Shrout. Even if JG leaves, we will have Hill and Maurer. Why not rs Bailey. IMO, he won't be ahead of Hill and Maurer with him being a true frosh.
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I fully expected JG to transfer out after this year.
If Maurer continues to get on the field in front of Shrout, it wouldn't surprise me if he leaves either.

You have a grad transfer that will not have played a snap for you yet and possibly Shrout along with Maurer.

UT needs competition at the position. Id be very surprised if Bailey RS.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Less than 5% is not a very big number. It's uncommon and there is no reason for us to be doing it now.
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The reason is simply regardless of your feelings toward the idea. Its a RS Jr that has played poorly the majority of the season to the point a FR was a viable option..

Maurer didn't just take the job. JG forced them to give Maurer a shot.
 
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BeecherVol said:
The reason is simply regardless of your feelings toward the idea. Its a RS Jr that has played poorly the majority of the season.

Maurer didn't just take the job. JG forced them to give Maurer a shot.
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Bingo, I'm so confused how a couple just can't see, or accept this.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
I think they tried Maurer to see if he could spark the team, much like CJP tried orange pants. Maybe he thinks JG is better off the bench and are trying that route, maybe they just gave up on JG which I think is the last thing they would do. I'm thinking that both continue to play all season this year. JG has made winning plays in the Vols 2 wins and played very average in the losses, I don't think Pruitt has given up on him yet and believe he'll still play a bunch. I'd be surprised if BM plays this week and it would not surprise me to see JG play well vs Alabama.
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It would suprise me to see jg play well against bama if he starts
 
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joevol33 said:
Bingo, I'm so confused how a couple just can't see, or accept this.
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I was happy for JG getting a shot at some redemption Saturday when he was needed. He did what he was asked to do at the time. It wasnt a lot, he didn't need to bring us back from behind, just make a throw or 2. He did that.

But he's more responsible for Maurer seeing the field than Maurer is. They pinned the season on him from the start and felt like at worse he would be better with a better OL and experienced skill guys coming back. By halftime of the BYU game Chaney was already trying to hide him.

The real difference is the situations. Bryant was a good QB at Clemson. Lawrence took them to a different level. Hurts was a great QB at Bama (and has been great at OU) Tua was a special talent that was needed to win a NC that Hurts help get them to. This situation is different.
 
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If Maurer is too injured to play against Alabama, does Shrout see playing time? And I don't mean if we're getting blown out, that the coaches decide to let Shrout have a go at it. I mean, does Shrout see some series alongside JG?
 
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cgrish said:
Has he ever officially been diagnosed with a concussion?
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I don't know but 2 months ago I fell off a ladder and hit my head. Every thing is fine for two weeks then I got a concussion and had a seizure. The neurologist told me it can happen in hours or days.
 
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cgrish said:
Has he ever officially been diagnosed with a concussion?
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They didn't say so publicly. Pruitt said they were in the "protocol". I know concussions are different in severity but it is not real likely he would be available to play if he had anything severe.

IMHO, they may have been more concerned about a cracked bone or something. That was a really awkward fall.
 
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sjt18 said:
They didn't say so publicly. Pruitt said they were in the "protocol". I know concussions are different in severity but it is not real likely he would be available to play if he had anything severe.

IMHO, they may have been more concerned about a cracked bone or something. That was a really awkward fall.
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It hurts me looking at it😄
 
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