March Madness to remain at 68 teams, for now

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bleedingTNorange said:
That was my hope for if they expanded the field, both regular season and conference tournament winners get in, remaining extra spots go to best at large teams left. Would in theory probably create a few more Cinderella’s as many times the best team from a conference isn’t actually the team that gets into the dance from these smaller leagues, so you should be improving the field a little bit as a result. Of course this won’t happen, but one can hope.
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How do you handle conferences whose reg season champ also wins its tournament?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
That’s what I was saying by the extra spots go to best remaining at large teams
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It wouldn't seem advantageous for smaller conferences to want the same team to win the regular season and the conference tournament in that scenario, then. In fact, conferences would be smart to give exemptions to the regular season winners from playing in the conference tourney in an effort to get two teams in.
 
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cncchris33 said:
It wouldn't seem advantageous for smaller conferences to want the same team to win the regular season and the conference tournament in that scenario, then. In fact, conferences would be smart to give exemptions to the regular season winners from playing in the conference tourney in an effort to get two teams in.
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Other than a potential better seed, and the monetary benefit, you’re correct on that. But then again how different is that than the thought now many have had of just playing walk on’s in the SECT or forfeiting your opening SECT game as it doesn’t benefit teams?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Other than a potential better seed, and the monetary benefit, you’re correct on that. But then again how different is that than the thought now many have had of just playing walk on’s in the SECT or forfeiting your opening SECT game as it doesn’t benefit teams?
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You mean other than the fact that there isn’t currently a way for a one-bid conference to undoubtedly ensure they get two teams in?

The SEC isn't a great example to use in the discussion. They are getting multiple teams in, anyway.
 
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cncchris33 said:
You mean other than the fact that there isn’t currently a way for a one-bid conference to undoubtedly ensure they get two teams in?

The SEC isn't a great example to use in the discussion. They are getting multiple teams in, anyway.
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Yes, I was just saying from the standpoint of teams electing to not participate. Again, my guess is the team that didn’t participate probably would see their seed line greatly “punished”, to try and deter this from happening, and schools/conference slapped on the wrist for this. Again, the same reason we’ve never seen a school “sit one out” even though many coaches have publicly stated they’d like to.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yes, I was just saying from the standpoint of teams electing to not participate. Again, my guess is the team that didn’t participate probably would see their seed line greatly “punished”, to try and deter this from happening, and schools/conference slapped on the wrist for this. Again, the same reason we’ve never seen a school “sit one out” even though many coaches have publicly stated they’d like to.
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Solely talking about one-bid leagues, though, "sitting out" doesn't ensure you get a spot. We've seen 30-win teams from one-bid leagues lose in their conference tourney and sweat it our on Selection Sunday. THAT is why they don't sit out.

The idea of offering the reg. season champ and tourney champ both a spot incentivizes one-bid leagues to work the system to get two entries. Bigger conferences don't have that issue because they are likely getting more than one bid anyway.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Guys, this is super easy. No automatic qualifiers.
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The issue with that is that it will likely reward garbage P4 teams and punish the low and mid-majors. Those schools wouldn't get a sniff, most likely. A 17-14 UNC team that finished in the bottom third of the ACC is more likely to get picked over a 26-6 Liberty team because UNC brings ratings and ticket sales.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Solely talking about one-bid leagues, though, "sitting out" doesn't ensure you get a spot. We've seen 30-win teams from one-bid leagues lose in their conference tourney and sweat it our on Selection Sunday. THAT is why they don't sit out.

The idea of offering the reg. season champ and tourney champ both a spot incentivizes one-bid leagues to work the system to get two entries. Bigger conferences don't have that issue because they are likely getting more than one bid anyway.
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Again, it would likely come at the expense of that better team getting a crappier seed as a punishment and thus not wanting to do so. Every conference wants as many teams in as possible, more $$$, there’s plenty of examples where a conference could’ve rigged their conference tournament to get in another team and didn’t do so. I don’t see that as being likely, literally nothing in the past suggests that’s probable.
 
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cncchris33 said:
The issue with that is that it will likely reward garbage P4 teams and punish the low and mid-majors. Those schools wouldn't get a sniff, most likely. A 17-14 UNC team that finished in the bottom third of the ACC is more likely to get picked over a 26-6 Liberty team because UNC brings ratings and ticket sales.
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Memphis was a lock last year, American conference couldn’t left them out and gotten in another, or Memphis could’ve rolled and gotten in another. Didn’t happen.

St. Mary’s & Gonzaga were locks, WCC could’ve told both to stay home to get a 3rd team in, didn’t happen.

Drake & VCU were 2 more locks, MVC & A10 I’m sure would’ve liked to have gotten 2 more teams in, didn’t happen.
 
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cncchris33 said:
The issue with that is that it will likely reward garbage P4 teams and punish the low and mid-majors. Those schools wouldn't get a sniff, most likely. A 17-14 UNC team that finished in the bottom third of the ACC is more likely to get picked over a 26-6 Liberty team because UNC brings ratings and ticket sales.
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I don't dismiss that argument at all. In my ideal world, ratings and revenue would not be a factor in selection for the NCAA tournament. I understand it's naive to expect that, though.
 
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