Mannings Heisman Year

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I'm sure his not recieving the Heisman Trophy has been discussed, beat down, debated and analyzed on here numerous times. Having said that, I was one of MANY dissapointed in his not recieving the award. Now, on that subject, I watched the 30 minute special on Charles Woodson on the Big 10 Network last night. While watching it, several things came to mind. One, he didn't have the numbers on defense as Manning did on offense but the other thing is, he did excel in the big games (most notably their biggest rival) and he did make a big impact. If you were not a Tennessee fan and were outside the "box", would you have voted for Woodson?
 
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One of the commentators stated that voters saw "a chance for a primary defensive player to win the award" and voted because of that.
 
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Champ Bailey > Woodson

I always thought that Bailey had better numbers on offense and defense, but didn't get the Heisman push from ESPN like Woodson did. Different years I know, but to answer your question, no I would not have voted for Woodson.
 
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I can understand why people think manning got screwed

I do not understand why people do not believe woodson had an exceptional year
 
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Peyton never beat Florida, that was the major mark against him. If he beats the Gators, it's not even a discussion and he takes home the trophy.
 
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rbell said:
Champ Bailey > Woodson

I always thought that Bailey had better numbers on offense and defense, but didn't get the Heisman push from ESPN like Woodson did. Different years I know, but to answer your question, no I would not have voted for Woodson.
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Bailey's UGA teams were never in championship contention, and that's usually the kiss of death for an offensive Heisman candidate, let a lone a defensive contender.
 
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99gator said:
I can understand why people think manning got screwed

I do not understand why people do not believe woodson had an exceptional year
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he did but it was not the greatest year ever like some made it out to be. He was made out to be a 2-way player but did very little on offense and even his ST excellence was a bit overblown. 2 plays pretty much won it for him

and I watched the 97 UT-bama replay a while back and the Heisman came up. Woodson's name was never mentioned even at that point in the season. If he was blowing up that wouldn't have been the case
 
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If the Heisman committee could award the trophy to Paul Hornung over Johnny Majors even though Hornung's team went 2-8 that year, then surely not beating UF couldn't have been that big a factor against Manning.
 
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Peyton Manning not winning in '97, and probably '96 too shows that the Heisman Trophy is like a beauty contest. Very seldom fair and the best player/prettiest girl doesn't always win. I mean Joe THEESMAN changed his name to rhyme with Heisman.
 
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TuskALoosa said:
Peyton Manning not winning in '97, and probably '96 too shows that the Heisman Trophy is like a beauty contest. Very seldom fair and the best player/prettiest girl doesn't always win. I mean Joe THEESMAN changed his name to rhyme with Heisman.
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Put me in the "Peyton got robbed in '97" camp, but to suggest that anyone other than Wuerffel deserved the Heisman in '96 is lunacy.
 
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TuskALoosa said:
Peyton Manning not winning in '97, and probably '96 too shows that the Heisman Trophy is like a beauty contest. Very seldom fair and the best player/prettiest girl doesn't always win. I mean Joe THEESMAN changed his name to rhyme with Heisman.
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Whoa, ease up on the 96 thing
 
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Special Ed said:
If the Heisman committee could award the trophy to Paul Hornung over Johnny Majors even though Hornung's team went 2-8 that year, then surely not beating UF couldn't have been that big a factor against Manning.
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Jim Brown deserved it over either of them. Majors even said so.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ricky Williams and Ron Dayne's teams weren't in contention for a championship. They won "the best athlete for this YEAR" award based on a single CAREER stat.
 
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I get "primarily defensive player" for heisman, but woodson won because he was an all around player, playing both sides of the ball and special teams. just to give you a comparison of another player that played both sides of the ball and special teams for a major conference school. makes me sick how much woodson's great numbers and big plays were hyped to the point the they became mythical (although his one handed interception was a thing of beauty)

charles woodson: 1997
rush - 5 for 41 yds 1 td
receiving - 12 for 238 2 td
punt return - 36 for 301 8.4 avg 1 td
kick return - 0 for 0 0 td
int - 8 for 7 return yds
tackles - 47 1 sack

d j moore (vandy): 2008
rush - 8 for 73 yds 0 td
receiving - 7 for 143 2 tds
punt return - 17 for 244 yds 14.3 avg 0 td
kick return - 21 for 407 19.38 avg 0 td
int - 5 for 55 return yds
tackles - 54 1 sack

did dj moore deserve any more than all sec like he got? not even all american, and woodson wins the best player in college football with similar stats.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Put me in the "Peyton got robbed in '97" camp, but to suggest that anyone other than Wuerffel deserved the Heisman in '96 is lunacy.
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I think Wuerffel winning in '96 was another mark against Manning in '97. They didn't want 2 QB from the same area to win back to back. Especially if that area isn't the North/Northeast.
 
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