manning conflicted?

#76
#76
Ericvol2096 said:
I am not sure where you are getting that he isn't on board with Kiffin yet.

This was a speech made in Louisiana and he seems like he was talking more about his connection at UT and that is obviously with Fulmer, and I am sure it is weird for him to go back to his school and his coach isn't there anymore. But coaching changes happen all over and most ex-players buy in.

But once again no where in that article does he say anything negative about kiffin...its just an LSU guy making it appear that way.

Read between the lines.
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Sure it looks like a top notch defense until third down that is. I can't wait for those drunk LSU fans to start crying about how they play fifteen yards off the ball on third and a mile.
 
#77
#77
Peyton Manning is now and always will be a true Volunteer. If any of you guys ever played organized sports you would understand the affinity for your coach. Peyton had Fulmer for his entire four years so those that played the game understand the bond. Some athletes had to endure multiple coaching changes during their careers so I'm sure the bond isn't quite as strong to any given coach. But at any rate all athletes realize change has to come, it just takes a little longer for them to get used to it due to all of the blood, sweat and tears they expended with their coach.
 
#78
#78
hmanvolfan said:
Peyton Manning is now and always will be a true Volunteer. If any of you guys ever played organized sports you would understand the affinity for your coach.
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I made the all state baseball team twice under one of my high school coaches. I wouldn't spit on him if he were on fire.
 
#79
#79
Phil always was a people person. Thats why it took so long to get rid of him. He was too nice. I can still remember heffney jawing at him as he walked of the field at the peach bowl. If that wasn't a sign he had lost his team then people just turned a blind eye to the fact.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I made the all state baseball team twice under one of my high school coaches. I wouldn't spit on him if he were on fire.
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During my athletic career of about 10 years and involving mostly football and baseball there was only one coach I was at odds with and that was because he got mad at me because I popped my bubble gum when the pitcher released the ball (was a timing mechanism for me). He told me to stop, I couldn't help it and he suspended me for a game. Other than that, I had a bond I referred to earlier with all my other coaches. I wasn't trying to say all coaches are Knute Rockne but young people look up to and respect their coaches. Sorry your baseball coach was such an ass. Give us some examples of why you hated him. Was he pissed about you popping your bubble gum?
 
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hatvol96 said:
I made the all state baseball team twice under one of my high school coaches. I wouldn't spit on him if he were on fire.
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It's not like that would do any good anyway unless you've got like super spit or something.
 
#83
#83
You can bag on Manning for any reason that you would like, rather it be for his time here or in Indy. The fact remains that his name and face recognition carry a ton of weight. That weight, combined with his ties to UT, can be extemely beneficial in recruiting, fundraising, etc. Who cares if he gets more credit than other successful players? He is a great ambassador for our program.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, look at all the magnificent quarterbacks we've signed as a result of Manning's weighty Q rating.
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Are quarterbacks running from the woodworks to sign because Manning played here a decade ago? Of course not. If they did solely for that then they would need their head examined. All I'm saying is that his relationship with the university definitely doesn't hurt our chances.
 
#86
#86
this might not be good, I just realized that our ex-def coordinator was hired by LSU?! I might laugh/cry if i see LSU win the championship next year. resulting in 4 years of UF/LSU.

Anyway, Coach Fulmer was like Peyton's adopted father. Of course this is hard on him. It was hard on most of us i believe as well who remembers what he's done for us...

:salute:
 
#87
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K Zed said:
this might not be good, I just realized that our ex-def coordinator was hired by LSU?! I might laugh/cry if i see LSU win the championship next year. resulting in 4 years of UF/LSU.

Anyway, Coach Fulmer was like Peyton's adopted father. Of course this is hard on him. It was hard on most of us i believe as well who remembers what he's done for us...

:salute:
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I don't know if I would go that far. He has a father that is a fairly decorated football player in his own right.
 
#89
#89
I would fully expect PM to back Fulmer. That was HIS coach. However, if pressed off the record, I would almost guarantee even Manning would admit the program was certainly on a steep decline. I cant wait till the season starts and we start winning, so that every little thing like this doesnt get blown out of proportion. The only way I would hold anything against Peyton, is if he totally stopped supporting the program and coming around just cause CPF wasnt here anymore. No coach is bigger than the program. Peyton fully realizes that.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Is that why he bitches about it at every opportunity?
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Never once have him heard him bitch about that. To the extent that he does bitch about it, the fact that he even brings it up on air means he isn't particularly upset about it, and is probably more concerned with locating the whereabouts of the nearest casino and/or hooker.

Contrast that with Dan Marino's reaction when Phil Simms (I think) mentioned Marino's lack of a super bowl ring during a pre-game show last year. Now that is a man who is very bothered by not winning a championship. He appeared to be consciously holding himself back from walking to the other end of the table and punching Simms in the face.
 
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#93
#93
OK, so this is where this discussion is going.
Let me put it back on track with a few points.
Not everybody was in favor of dropping Fulmer. That includes former players and fans alike. It's just like the debate of a playoff in college football. Not everybody, including me, is for it.
I was and am one of those who didn't want to drop Fulmer. But, we did. It happened and good things will come from it, i sincerely believe.

I think the main thing that most of the people who wanted to keep Fulmer wanted to hang onto the tradition of UT football. The last time we had a coach that was not UT blood was Bill Battle. Nuff said. You learn from what transpired there.

But, it's more than wins and losses. It's more than recruiting. It's about bringing somebody who really gives a damn about UT football. I didn't want them to bring in the guy that is using UT, of all places, as a springboard to an illustrious career. I mean, look at all the Miami coaches that went through there. They had a great run at championships and are still regarded as one of the top programs. But, their fan base couldn't care less. They go to the games if they are winning and if they go to a bowl game, well, they just watch on tv i guess. They don't care. And that was when they were winning. Remember that Sugar Bowl in 85? I do. I was there. They had a legitimate shot at the national championship. They had about 10% of the stadium.

That's what i didn't want to happen at UT. I'm ok with assistant coaches coming and going. But the head coach here needs to want to be here. He needs to bleed Orange just like the rest of us do.

I really like Lane Kiffin. I like his antics. I think for anybody to say that UT is a laughingstock now is a complete moron and the guy that wrote this article didn't even need any quotes from Peyton because he was going to spin it the way he thinks. Anybody with any amount of brains would see through that.

I, like anybody else who is a big orange supporter, can't wait til September. I can't wait to see the big orange led by Lane Kiffin. It remains to be seen whether or not he'll win and he'll stay. But, for now, it's been a fun time being a UT fan.
 
#94
#94
byobbio said:
I think the main thing that most of the people who wanted to keep Fulmer wanted to hang onto the tradition of UT football. The last time we had a coach that was not UT blood was Bill Battle.
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I hear ya....but, what good is "tradition" when you're losing to South Carolina and Wyoming, and going more than a decade without a conference championship?
 
#97
#97
I supported Fulmer right up through last season's fiasco. At that point I concluded the real problem with UT football wasn't just the new offensive system, the OC, the S&C coach, the 3rd and long conversions...it was the entire program as lead by Fulmer. He'd taken it as far as he could and didn't seem capable of making it better. It was disfunctional or underperforming in many ways and this, for the first time since I started following the Vols closely in the early '80s, started to create fan apathy which is the death of a program. That's when I new Fulmer had to go for better or worse.
 
#98
#98
VolinDawgland said:
I supported Fulmer right up through last season's fiasco. At that point I concluded the real problem with UT football wasn't just the new offensive system, the OC, the S&C coach, the 3rd and long conversions...it was the entire program as lead by Fulmer. He'd taken it as far as he could and didn't seem capable of making it better. It was disfunctional or underperforming in many ways and this, for the first time since I started following the Vols closely in the early '80s, started to create fan apathy which is the death of a program. That's when I new Fulmer had to go for better or worse.
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Good observations. If you want to kill the snake you have to cut off the head.
 
#99
#99
VolinDawgland said:
I supported Fulmer right up through last season's fiasco. At that point I concluded the real problem with UT football wasn't just the new offensive system, the OC, the S&C coach, the 3rd and long conversions...it was the entire program as lead by Fulmer. He'd taken it as far as he could and didn't seem capable of making it better. It was disfunctional or underperforming in many ways and this, for the first time since I started following the Vols closely in the early '80s, started to create fan apathy which is the death of a program. That's when I new Fulmer had to go for better or worse.
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Couldn't have said that better myself.
 
#100
#100
K Zed said:
this might not be good, I just realized that our ex-def coordinator was hired by LSU?! I might laugh/cry if i see LSU win the championship next year. resulting in 4 years of UF/LSU.
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Will not happen. Don't worry.

K Zed said:
Anyway, Coach Fulmer was like Peyton's adopted father.
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Wrong

K Zed said:
It was hard on most of us i believe as well who remembers what he's done for us...
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Only those that hated winning.
 
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