Mahoney Out as OL Coach - Wells Promoted

[sjt18]

Not at all. My point was that you were trying to present things as facts to strengthen your statement. They are not facts. The fact is that the guys who are head coaches in the SEC got here from many different routes and a good chunk of them did not come by way of even a second tier P-5 school.

What are you saying aren't facts. Go ahead and look at the staffs of OSU, Clemson, Bama, etc. Teams that are winning at a high level and see how many of their coaches came to them from a lower level program without experience in the NFL or at a P5 school.

Even Jones had a couple of years at WVU before getting his first HC gig.

Malzahn is the one exception I see. He moved from HS to OC at Arkansas.

 

[BaldBiker]

Wow. You went back and added a lot of crap after I responded.

Not remarkably... you posted things that don't really prove what you think they prove... But just to help:

Absolutely prove what I think they do.

MSU was an also ran during that time period with a 28-18-1 overall record skewed by one 9-2 season... AND it wasn't his first experience at a P-5 program. He spent a year at Syracuse, two years at WVU, and two years at tOSU, before one year at Navy then MSU.

Wait. So now you aren't counting MSU, but you're going to count Syracuse and WVU?

Close but he was on staff at Ole Miss before coaching in HS then returning to Ark St.

Show me. I see nothing that shows that.

Honestly... most of this just demonstrates that you missed the point altogether. Most of the schools you list wouldn't be ones that I would list as top tier P5 programs. You conveniently skip stops in pretty much all of the resumes of those coaches in an attempt to prove that I'm not being factual?

I didn't conveniently skip anything. I stated in a later post that the information was easy enough to find out there. For people to look it up and decide for themselves whose facts they chose to believe.

UNC is a P5 program. They are a P5 where I would expect to see a coach from a lower level to cut his teeth.... and then move on to a top tier P5 program if he's good enough. Only one of Saban's current assistants came to him without prior experience at a P5 program or the NFL. Some had both. Clemson's staff is similar with mostly guys who have experience at P5 programs and the NFL.

So Saban has a coach who didn't do it the way you said? Hmmmmm.

A good measure of the quality of a staff is how many have solid experience in the NFL and P5 programs. Scott has little. Wells has none. I think Canales has a couple of years at NCSU. Azzanni has 2 years at two different P5 programs. Gillispie is really the only guy with a solid P5 resume on the O staff.

Show me these standards for measuring a quality staff. Put something printable on the screen so that I can print it and hang it on my wall next to my computer. Otherwise it is nothing more than conjecture. A good number of SEC head coaches don't have these qualifications.

If the O staff's resumes looked like the D staff's resumes... it would be a great coaching staff.

This statement is fine. Comes across as nothing more than your opinion, because you aren't trying to find facts to back it up. I even agree to an extent. I don't think it is as bad as you do, but hey, that's just semantics. We're not far off from each other here.

:hi:

 

[BaldBiker]

I will give you credit sjt18. I tried your way of posting. Breaking everything down into segments. Kudos to you man. That is way more work than I care to do again. :hi:

 

[volfan102455]

Hugh Freeze coaching information:
1992–1994 Briarcrest (TN) HS (OC/DB)
1995–2004 Briarcrest (TN) HS
2006–2007 Ole Miss (TE/RC)
2008–2009 Lambuth
2010 Arkansas State (OC)
2011 Arkansas State
2012–present Ole Miss

Only 3 years as a HC in college before taking over at Ole Miss. He was more successful in high school as the girl's basketball coach.

 

[volfan102455]

Not at all. My point was that you were trying to present things as facts to strengthen your statement. They are not facts. The fact is that the guys who are head coaches in the SEC got here from many different routes and a good chunk of them did not come by way of even a second tier P-5 school.

That is the case for a lot of coaches these days.

It is also true of folks in any career - most folks make their own way.

 

[butchna]

I will give you credit sjt18. I tried your way of posting. Breaking everything down into segments. Kudos to you man. That is way more work than I care to do again. :hi:

But it makes you hellacool and everybody fears and respects your wisdom and superior standards? hmy:

 

[BaldBiker]

But it makes you hellacool and everybody fears and respects your wisdom and superior standards? hmy:

I've just worked my way up to mediocrity. I have a long way to go to get to hellacool. :no:

 

[Wylo]

Promoting from within? Great. Wonderful.

 

[TNnative]

Well, that doesn't give me the warm and fuzzie.. Is he a good coach? Does he know what he's doing? Is this an upgrade?

We will find out soon enough. The main point I am looking at is the OL under Mahoney was nowhere close to being dominate. His contract was up, so it was the best time to part ways.

And if Wells was not a name for your fantasy staff, getting a bigger name might be more of a possibility if the UT administrators had not fiddle farted around and got the AD hire expedited.

 

[edyeary]

Spell Nazi.......I see this all the time. It should be dominant not dominate in the above.
Spell Nazi ..out.

 

[jlawso21]

I find this fascinating as the entire season and indeed Jones's career at this point is coming down to the O line this year. Mind blowing when you consider the problems we've had at O line in the recent past. It's an all or nothing, all in, kind of gamble from Jones.


I'm still boggled by Hoke though, that man has been fired from every job he has ever had.

So was Winston Churchill.

 

[KBVol]

Tweets today from Hyams. FYI.....


Walt Wells, recently promoted to OL coach at UT, was arrested
for DUI on Feb. 4, 2016, hours after UT’s national signing day celebration

Incident report says Wells, now 49, was stopped at 12:34 am
Feb. 4 in Knoxville city limits for not dimming his lights.

Report says Wells `fumbled’ his words and performed `poorly’
on field sobriety test and admitted to drinking 3 beers.

Wells was taken to Knox County Detention Facility. His bail
was set at $1000.

On Aug. 25, Wells pleaded guilty to reduced charge of
reckless driving and paid $50 fine plus undisclosed amount of court costs.

Wells was sentenced to be confined in Detention Facility for
6 months but that was suspended for time served, which was 24 hours.

UT spokesman Ryan Robinson said UT coach Jones was aware of
the Wells’ DUI arrest when it occurred.

Robinson said Wells was suspended with pay for 2 weeks,
attended counseling and has exhibited `model behavior’ since then.

Coach Jones `felt comfortable moving forward with Wells as the offensive line coach,' Robinson said.

 

[carlos86]

Tweets today from Hyams. FYI.....


Walt Wells, recently promoted to OL coach at UT, was arrested
for DUI on Feb. 4, 2016, hours after UT’s national signing day celebration

Incident report says Wells, now 49, was stopped at 12:34 am
Feb. 4 in Knoxville city limits for not dimming his lights.

Report says Wells `fumbled’ his words and performed `poorly’
on field sobriety test and admitted to drinking 3 beers.

Wells was taken to Knox County Detention Facility. His bail
was set at $1000.

On Aug. 25, Wells pleaded guilty to reduced charge of
reckless driving and paid $50 fine plus undisclosed amount of court costs.

Wells was sentenced to be confined in Detention Facility for
6 months but that was suspended for time served, which was 24 hours.

UT spokesman Ryan Robinson said UT coach Jones was aware of
the Wells’ DUI arrest when it occurred.

Robinson said Wells was suspended with pay for 2 weeks,
attended counseling and has exhibited `model behavior’ since then.

Coach Jones `felt comfortable moving forward with Wells as the offensive line coach,' Robinson said.

Well this explains why Mahoney was kept around another year.