Loyalities versus success.....

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g8terh8ter_eric

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I know that this a very controversial question, but I want to ask it anyways....

What would you rather have....

A coach that bleed orange, loves UT, can coach, and hires great assistants.

OR...

A coach that lacks in substance, runs his mouth, looks for better opportunities, and will steal recruits and coaches on a whim.

I know we have discussed this more than once, but what do you REALLY want?? Obviously, we all want to win and be successful, but at what price?? It seems as if in today's coaching world, that you have a fine line between a team's pride and success on the field. Are coaches these days, satisfied with the thrill of entertaining a fanbase, winning ballgames for a long time, bleeding and sweating with the team, and being labeled as one of the best in team history?? Or, is it about money and power?? There seems to be no loyality, for the most part, between coaching and success, IMO. You either have success and move on to bigger and better things, or you don't and still move around. It's almost become too business like for college football, IMO. Traditions being ignored, recruits being treated as commodities, and coaches just selling themselves to recruits and not who they work for.

It's just become a really sad day in college football, when a school that has been around as long as ours, has a excellent traditions and recognition, is in the premier football conference and division in the nation, and we can't keep a coach. I'm not sitting here screaming, "We are UT!!", but we aren't chopped liver either. Even fan pride is at an all-time low, IMO. I think that as a fanbase, we need to step it up and quit arguing and dividing ourselves, just to try and prove the other side wrong. Please, don't take this as a "Rah-Rah" speech either. It's not intended that way, even though it has that certain tone.

I, just want to see a fanbase who is excited and wants to support UT Football, and not just the man who is the head coach. If you just support the team when you agree with who the coach is, then IMO, your no better than a recruit who commits to a coach and not who and what we are as a university. I just see it as, your either in it all the way, or not at all.

This is all just my opinion, course.
 
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I support the VOLS in EVERY sport, regardless of who the coach is or the record of the Vol team I am watching. IM very excited about our future too, just not the imediate future. I vote of course for the first choice in you're survey. GBO!!!!
 
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Great post Eric. I want UT to win and win big just not at the cost of our integrity. We are the Tennessee Volunteers and by God that means something.
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I'd rather have someone who hates UT, does a great job for 5 years, and leaves, as opposed to someone who can't win any championships but loves UT and stays here 10 or more years.

As long as we aren't committing major, Alabama style violations, then I just want to win.
 
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I couldn't care less if a coach comes in and sprays graffiti all over Neyland's maxims, changes the fight song from "Rocky Top" to "Run This Town," punches Gus Manning in the face, and has the team outfitted in teal jerseys. Win games.
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I agree with you, I will always love the University regardless of who the coaches are. Shoot, I spent 5 of the best years of my life in Knoxville! I was born and raised in Atlanta and I still bleed orange! I will always support the coaches as well, even though sometimes rationalizing some of the things Kiffin said made me look like just as much of a fool. I dont think we will have to worry about that for a while from this point forward so that is definitely good news.

However, the fact of the matter is the head football coach at UT is probably the most recognizable person of the state. (Give Dooley until his first game and he will be on the same level) I can guarantee you 98%+ of the state of Tennessee can pick Kiffin (either one) out of a lineup but has no idea who Jan Simek (sp?) is, if Jan is male or female, and even less of an idea about what HE actually looks like. The coach is the face of the program, University, and to an extent, the state. He will always be associated with the team, there will always be those who dissent. Not even a "rah-rah" speech will change that, but Im with you FWIW.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I couldn't care less if a coach comes in and sprays graffiti all over Neyland's maxims, changes the fight song from "Rocky Top" to "Run This Town," punches Gus Manning in the face, and has the team outfitted in teal jerseys. Win games.
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Worked out well with Kiffin, didn't it?? He did bad than good while he was here.
 
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I'll say this. I can certainly tolerate the fans of other teams in the SEC making fun of us for having a loudmouth, prick of a coach. What I don't like is Florida and Alabama mutilating us on a yearly basis while Georgia and South Carolina pass us up in the SEC.
 
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This is hard to say as a Bama fan/alum, but you want a coach that doesn't give a **** about anything but what it takes to WIN ball games. There is no doubt in my mind that Nick Saban couldn't give a rats ass about the history and tradition at Alabama. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if he left tomorrow, because he has no loyalty.

But, there is also not a doubt in my mind that he works 24-7 trying to do everything humanly possible to develope his team and build a winning, championship contending program. Therefore, if he does leave tomorrow, he left our program in a whole lot better shape than he found it.
 
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I am now a senior at UT. I've been a UT fan since I was 5, growing up on the other end of the state. I've seen and ridden the ups and downs of this program for the last 16 years. I loved Fulmer, but knew it was time for him to go; I welcomed Kiffin and was hurt by how he treated and left our school. I came into college expecting more wins, a lot less Tebow, and an SEC championship, but it never came to fruition. But I would not have it any other way because I love this University. I would still wear my orange proudly if we didn't win another game, because I know UT is great and more like a family than any other school I've visited.

I'm happy we have Coach Dooley. He seems like a great guy and I can't wait to see what he can do, but I would support my coach and go to every game I could even if he was a three toad sloth because I love the Vols. My UT fanhood is the only real irrational thing in my life and I wouldn't have it any other way.

V,B
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Worked out well with Kiffin, didn't it?? He did bad than good while he was here.
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So because it didn't work out, we should stop trying?

There are two ways we can go with this. The first option is to keep trying to get good coaches, like Bama did when they were down and on probation multiple times. The second option is to show our rivals the right flag. It's fine if we want to hire a quiet coach, but he better get it done on the field. The first thing that you look for in a coach is whether or not he can win. You look for integrity somewhere after that.
 
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Hmmm....it's an interesting question for sure. Of course I want our program to be successful, but not at all cost. The situation we just left is a prime example of where there's no denying we were heading in the right direction, but it was at the cost of our past history and tradition. I would much rather have a HC that appreciates the opportunity and has respect for the program and it's players over someone shady and disrespectful.

With that being said, success is the measuring stick for any coach and if they aren't getting it done on the field (regardless of their loyalty) they are going to be pushed out the door (Fulmer is a prime example).
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, that 2009 class was awful. We should have hired Troy Calhoun.
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He spits on this school on this school, and your response points to last year's recruiting class?? That's pretty weak man, ever for you. I expect better from you.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I couldn't care less if a coach comes in and sprays graffiti all over Neyland's maxims, changes the fight song from "Rocky Top" to "Run This Town," punches Gus Manning in the face, and has the team outfitted in teal jerseys. Win games.
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The statement you just made is unbelievable. How could you give up all of those great traditions? By doing that, you are just buying in to the way the rest of college football is going.... a BUSINESS instead of something that is played for pride and love of your school. I love everything UT. Every tradition is sacred and important. Letting the maxims go and handing our team teal jersesys (figuratively speaking) would ruin everything we play for. GO VOLS. GO CDD. GO VOLNATION! :salute:
 
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RT1941 said:
This is hard to say as a Bama fan/alum, but you want a coach that doesn't give a **** about anything but what it takes to WIN ball games. There is no doubt in my mind that Nick Saban couldn't give a rats ass about the history and tradition at Alabama. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if he left tomorrow, because he has no loyalty.

But, there is also not a doubt in my mind that he works 24-7 trying to do everything humanly possible to develope his team and build a winning, championship contending program. Therefore, if he does leave tomorrow, he left our program in a whole lot better shape than he found it.
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Kiff and is merry men are all pricks, but they worked their asses off while they were employed.
 
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Not counting Kiffin...I've had three UT coaches in my lifetime, Bill Battle, Johnny and Phil. I think many folks wanted a change but had no idea what it was s'pose to look like. My son is 2 and he's on his second coach, if you count Kiffin it's 3. That's what change looks like. If I'm gonna be 7-5 I'd just as soon do it with a coach I'd introduce to my son.Those guys that left, lacked class and integrity and it was so from the very beginning. That may be what some programs are about, that's not how I feel about UT. If " this happens everywhere" replaces "Rocky Top", how good can 10 wins really feel?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
He spits on this school on this school, and your response points to last year's recruiting class?? That's pretty weak man, ever for you. I expect better from you.
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I don't care what you expect. He left for a better job. He paid his buyout. He owes UT squat.
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SamQB7 said:
The statement you just made is unbelievable. How could you give up all of those great traditions? By doing that, you are just buying in to the way the rest of college football is going.... a BUSINESS instead of something that is played for pride and love of your school. I love everything UT. Every tradition is sacred and important. Letting the maxims go and handing our team teal jersesys (figuratively speaking) would ruin everything we play for. GO VOLS. GO CDD. GO VOLNATION! :salute:
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People said this about black jerseys too, until it happened and they liked it...
 
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tvolsfan said:
So because it didn't work out, we should stop trying?

There are two ways we can go with this. The first option is to keep trying to get good coaches, like Bama did when they were down and on probation multiple times. The second option is to show our rivals the right flag. It's fine if we want to hire a quiet coach, but he better get it done on the field. The first thing that you look for in a coach is whether or not he can win. You look for integrity somewhere after that.
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And, sometimes you won't find that intergrity you're looking for. But, if the coach is winning and competing for championships, integrity be damned.
 
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