Long SEC season ahead I'm afraid

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TechnoVol

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Hope I'm wrong but I just see a very long season ahead for the Vols in the SEC again this year.
 
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We need an influx of better coaches in baseball and basketball....dave hart you're up
 
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lovavol said:
We need an influx of better coaches in baseball and basketball....dave hart you're up
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Just as it was way too early to get excited about this team after its wins over Alcorn and WKU, it is way too early to give up on the coach.
 
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Fact is that we sux n every major sport except WB... how we got here is multiple but DS is a tn guy n if it can be turned around he can at some point.

However im tired of losing ..
 
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In terms of it being a long season, here are some of my thoughts. Let me preface by saying, I follow the team, I like college baseball, but I'm no expert and I have zero inside info.

We are extremely young. That said, Godley and Nick Williams must be better going forward. Saberhagen should also be better. In terms of pitching, only Eric Martin has seemed steady so far, and he's bound to have some rough spots. Where is Robbie Kidd? What's his status? We could really use him.

Base running. Obviously I'm not getting to watch these games, I'm listening. We have been picked off in every imaginable way. I'm all for being aggressive, but when you send a runner home and he gets tagged at the plate, from a throw from center, and the runner doesn't even slide...what's going on?

Simcox. I've seen a lot of posts regarding him. He came up big at the plate in game 2 vs. Bama. He has 11 errors on the season, which is about what the rest of the team has, combined. Obviously, he's an immense talent...we have to be patient IMO.

We face the Catamounts from Western Carolina next. They have wins over UGA, Wake Forest and EKU, they are 12-8, w/ a 4-2 conference record. After that comes Mizzou and Tennessee Tech, all at home. We need to get out and support them.

Obviously, Will Maddox has played well so far. Price, Stewart and Bily and Moberg have done some good things as well. VJax and Vizzy might come along.

Conclusion. It may very well be a long season. It's too early to tell. I hope we can do a better job on the bases in the short term. Hopefully Godley and Williams will do their thing over the long haul. Hopefully, the young pitchers like Charpie will come along. GBO!
 
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Any poster claiming coaching is the issue is plain misinformed or ignorant.



I said this when DS was hired that success here wouldn't be easy even if he is a top 5 coach nationally. This is a hard damn job right now and IMO it isn't getting better until Corbin leaves Vandy or the NCAA puts an end to the unfair playing field they have in recruiting. Need based money is ruining the Vol baseball program!!! It's time DS puts his foot down and ask the NCAA to look into it at vandy.
 
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Vol66 hit the nail on the head. Let's not lose our shirts this season and get better as the season moves on. Beat the midweek teams and try to avoid getting swept. Get a series win next weekend and try to play meaningful baseball for as long as we can. We can play better, starting with Nick Williams and Godley. The pickoffs are frustrated but we have to play that way with the lack of power we still have. We are still missing a few pieces, but damn I am tired of losing. Also, we should have hired Serrano when Delmonico was fired. Better late than never.
 
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whocaresgobobcats said:
go ahead list coaches with better resumes than serrano and then tell me how UT will get them.

thanks
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This is an awesome post! I hope the perpetrator attempts to answer your question because I'm really interested to see what he has to say. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he either doesn't respond or fails miserably trying.
 
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BruinVol said:
Any poster claiming coaching is the issue is plain misinformed or ignorant.



I said this when DS was hired that success here wouldn't be easy even if he is a top 5 coach nationally. This is a hard damn job right now and IMO it isn't getting better until Corbin leaves Vandy or the NCAA puts an end to the unfair playing field they have in recruiting. Need based money is ruining the Vol baseball program!!! It's time DS puts his foot down and ask the NCAA to look into it at vandy.
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What's this unfair advantage Vandy has? Not being smart, really don't know.
 
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jbeard82 said:
Yeah I didn't understand that post at all either.
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Because vandy is private and gives need based money to all students they can give extra money(that doesnt count toward the 11.7) to baseball players. They have many players that are not on one dollar of baseball money. This would be fair and legal if the amount of need based money was equal between regular students and athletes. That's where it's completely illegal. They have players going there for a free or a few thousand dollars that don't count toward their 11.7. Their nonscholarship players are getting way more need based money than the regular student which is creating the unfair playing field.
 
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BruinVol said:
Because vandy is private and gives need based money to all students they can give extra money(that doesnt count toward the 11.7) to baseball players. They have many players that are not on one dollar of baseball money. This would be fair and legal if the amount of need based money was equal between regular students and athletes. That's where it's completely illegal. They have players going there for a free or a few thousand dollars that don't count toward their 11.7. Their nonscholarship players are getting way more need based money than the regular student which is creating the unfair playing field.
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Thanks for explaining. And yes....that complete utter bull....
 
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The NCAA has made it clear that any financial aid is countable toward the 11.7 if its not available to all students. Need based money is legal as long as its the same for athletes and non. This is why the NCAA needs to be asked to check vandy because I believe strongly that nearly all regular students aren't getting darn close to a full package due to financial aid.
 
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BruinVol said:
The NCAA has made it clear that any financial aid is countable toward the 11.7 if its not available to all students. Need based money is legal as long as its the same for athletes and non. This is why the NCAA needs to be asked to check vandy because I believe strongly that nearly all regular students aren't getting darn close to a full package due to financial aid.
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As is the case most of the time, I agree with you 100% Bruin. Im not sure that many of the posters on here realize what kind of top of the line baseball there is in the state of Tennessee (most only want to look at the Knoxville/Farragut bubble). It's not football where there are only 3 good prospects per year coming out of the state. I wish the NCAA would close the Vandy loophole. What would you do.... Go to Vandy for free and compete for national championships, or go to Tennesse on a 25% scholarship and get drilled in conference?? Its a no brainer, and it is hurting Tennessee baseball. When UT starts winning the recruiting battles for the Drew Pomeranz, David Price, Sheffield Bros., and Sonny Gray's of the world (just to mention a few) they will return to prominence, until then get ready for more 15-1 outcomes...
 
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thegreatwhite1 said:
As is the case most of the time, I agree with you 100% Bruin. Im not sure that many of the posters on here realize what kind of top of the line baseball there is in the state of Tennessee (most only want to look at the Knoxville/Farragut bubble). It's not football where there are only 3 good prospects per year coming out of the state. I wish the NCAA would close the Vandy loophole. What would you do.... Go to Vandy for free and compete for national championships, or go to Tennesse on a 25% scholarship and get drilled in conference?? Its a no brainer, and it is hurting Tennessee baseball. When UT starts winning the recruiting battles for the Drew Pomeranz, David Price, Sheffield Bros., and Sonny Gray's of the world (just to mention a few) they will return to prominence, until then get ready for more 15-1 outcomes...
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We aren't going to win these recruiting battles unless the need based money is kept in check. Yes there is elite talent in state and right now they are nearly all going to vandy where every scholarship(countable or not) is 70% or higher. This is the main reason I think DS has chosen to put more emphasis in out of state recruiting than instate. I think that's a good decision until something is done to stop this unfair advantage.
 
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vol66 said:
In terms of it being a long season, here are some of my thoughts. Let me preface by saying, I follow the team, I like college baseball, but I'm no expert and I have zero inside info.

We are extremely young. That said, Godley and Nick Williams must be better going forward. Saberhagen should also be better. In terms of pitching, only Eric Martin has seemed steady so far, and he's bound to have some rough spots. Where is Robbie Kidd? What's his status? We could really use him.

Base running. Obviously I'm not getting to watch these games, I'm listening. We have been picked off in every imaginable way. I'm all for being aggressive, but when you send a runner home and he gets tagged at the plate, from a throw from center, and the runner doesn't even slide...what's going on?

Simcox. I've seen a lot of posts regarding him. He came up big at the plate in game 2 vs. Bama. He has 11 errors on the season, which is about what the rest of the team has, combined. Obviously, he's an immense talent...we have to be patient IMO.

We face the Catamounts from Western Carolina next. They have wins over UGA, Wake Forest and EKU, they are 12-8, w/ a 4-2 conference record. After that comes Mizzou and Tennessee Tech, all at home. We need to get out and support them.

Obviously, Will Maddox has played well so far. Price, Stewart and Bily and Moberg have done some good things as well. VJax and Vizzy might come along.

Conclusion. It may very well be a long season. It's too early to tell. I hope we can do a better job on the bases in the short term. Hopefully Godley and Williams will do their thing over the long haul. Hopefully, the young pitchers like Charpie will come along. GBO!
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I might stress how the lack of experience on the mound really shows up on the road (as it did this weekend) but other than that, this post is spot on.

It's a young team with many guys thrown in over their heads. Sometimes, they look like they can get it done and other times they will look like a bunch of freshmen.

UT has a great coaching staff and many of the pieces are here.......they just need a little time on the field and in the weight room to reach the upper levels of the SEC.
 
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thegreatwhite1 said:
As is the case most of the time, I agree with you 100% Bruin. Im not sure that many of the posters on here realize what kind of top of the line baseball there is in the state of Tennessee (most only want to look at the Knoxville/Farragut bubble). It's not football where there are only 3 good prospects per year coming out of the state. I wish the NCAA would close the Vandy loophole. What would you do.... Go to Vandy for free and compete for national championships, or go to Tennesse on a 25% scholarship and get drilled in conference?? Its a no brainer, and it is hurting Tennessee baseball. When UT starts winning the recruiting battles for the Drew Pomeranz, David Price, Sheffield Bros., and Sonny Gray's of the world (just to mention a few) they will return to prominence, until then get ready for more 15-1 outcomes...
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I've argued with many on the subject of in state talent. There is great talent in this state hands down. Most who claim there isn't more than likely are looking at a computer recruiting site and are not out in the trenches watching games. There's plenty of HS talent...and the talent coming up thru the youth travel circuit is really good at this time. Meaning the talent is only getting better.
 
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By the end of this season, this team should be far better than they are now. I think the light is flickering. The 1st inning on Sunday was insane and a worst -case scenario.

Things are pointing toward 2014 as the "Great Leap Forward" in quite a few sports including baseball, football, and basketball.

I don't write that to sound like a Cub fan, but I still think by the end of the season, we will be surprising some teams. Every season we have a few games like Sunday.
 
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To be honest this season has gone about as expected so far. Playing freshman presents 2 major problems imo, starters can't be expected to go more than 5 innings and hitting will be inconsistent. I don't think that we have the bullpen to be able to go 4 innings on back to back days even when the starter gives us a solid five innings (though bettencourt and owenby did do well on saturday) and with an overall lack of power at the plate we need consistent hitting. I'm chosing to focus on the positives this season since the growing pains and struggles are inevitable. The stuff Owenby had on the mound was impressive and made the money spent to watch that game. Positives like that make me excited about our future.
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Expecting significant improvement during the SEC season is sort of like expecting improvement during the Bataan Death March.

If last weekend's performance is any indication, we do not have the arms to get through a weekend series unless everything goes absolutely right. Alabama began the weekend as the weakest hitting team in the conference and ended it by subbing in bench players to get their first hits against the tail end of our bullpen.

Next weekend we face Mizzou. Some here have already counted that series as a win or a sweep, but Mizzou's pitching is no joke. They held South Carolina all weekend to fewer runs than Alabama scored in the first inning yesterday. They will make our guys earn it.

After that, the next four weekends have Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Kentucky, and Ole Miss. In each of those series, we will have a disadvantageous matchup on Friday, and the mismatches will get worse as the weekends progress.

I expect this team to have their moments and maybe even steal a series or two we're supposed to lose. I still harbor hope that some combination of losses by Georgia, Auburn, Mizzou, or even Florida will let us sneak in to Hoover.

However, I respectfully disagree with those who think a few more reps and a little man strength are all that separate us from Vandy and Ole Miss and the other contenders.
 
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