Liberty

[lvocd]

Looks like they regularly start a redshirt senior, two seniors and two sophomores. Their guards are small but they can score, and their post is 6'6". Duke beat them 83-67.

We can kill this thread once the game thread is posted, but I'm curious if anyone has seen them this year. Liberty is usually pretty tough. They gave us Keyen Green!!!

 

[lvocd]

FYI: I found two of Liberty's three games from this year on ON DEMAND on ESPN+. They're scrappy!

 

[Volfan2012]

I think they are a decent mid major team. I still expect us to win by at least 25 points on Saturday. I am looking at Tennessee 95 to 65 in this game. Will be considered a Quad three game probably where it will stay as I doubt they will be a top 75 team and don't expect them to fall below 160.

 

[J-Dog 1313]

I think they are a decent mid major team. I still expect us to win by at least 25 points on Saturday. I am looking at Tennessee 95 to 65 in this game. Will be considered a Quad three game probably where it will stay as I doubt they will be a top 75 team and don't expect them to fall below 160.

LVs 105--Liberty 60. GBO.

 

[lvocd]

I hope y'all are right and we spank them, but I'm going conservative and thinking 89-67.

 

[Volfan2012]

I hope y'all are right and we spank them, but I'm going conservative and thinking 89-67.

Certainly all depends on how we shoot the ball. They are not as good as MTSU and we win that game by 25 if we just shoot 5 to 6 percent better. If we shoot say 41 percent 20 to 25 looks about right. All about shooting.

 

[glv98]

Don't think Lib will do as well as Middle; they don't have Rick Insell on the sideline.

I'm most interested in the "fitness" issue. CKC seemed majorly peeved that she had to roll back the press due to fatigue. She mentioned it had an affect on offense also. I'll bet an actual fire has been lit under some hineys and they're going to attack Lib unmercifully.

I'm curious if early fatigue is common in her style of play, one of the things she said made Novembers bleak for her teams. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe legs really do get stronger, more in "game shape" as the season goes on. I've always thought it was opposite. So I wonder if this is expected or a concern.

LVs by 30. Next game in 10 days. One more tea party against Western Carolina and then the real fun starts. Can't wait to see this team get out there in the tall grass and see what happens. I think by then they'll be ready as they'll ever be.

 

[lvocd]

glv98, you may be like me, one of the ancients who always heard that for muscle fibers to gain strength and stamina they needed to be "broken down" first, and that the rest period, or when the fibers "healed," was just important as the exercise to building muscles. I'm curious about what both phases look like for the Lady Vols. Are their well-worked leg muscles getting enough of the necessary rest?

I know from past personal experience that an occasional more-extended rest period resulted in surprising gains for me.

 

[Coach Jumper]

glv98, you may be like me, one of the ancients who always heard that for muscle fibers to gain strength and stamina they needed to be "broken down" first, and that the rest period, or when the fibers "healed," was just important as the exercise to building muscles. I'm curious about what both phases look like for the Lady Vols. Are their well-worked leg muscles getting enough of the necessary rest?

I know from past personal experience that an occasional more-extended rest period resulted in surprising gains for me.

this span of time between games w ill be good for them

 

[glv98]

this span of time between games w ill be good for them

I'm sure time off bwt games always helps, unless it's filled w even more intense practice. Also, the span of time btw games will be like it is now or even more intense as the season moves along, and include travel. Remember, until that tourney in Dec they will not have ventured out of Food City palace. There's just no way they should be tired already.

glv98, you may be like me, one of the ancients who always heard that for muscle fibers to gain strength and stamina they needed to be "broken down" first, and that the rest period, or when the fibers "healed," was just important as the exercise to building muscles. I'm curious about what both phases look like for the Lady Vols. Are their well-worked leg muscles getting enough of the necessary rest?

I know from past personal experience that an occasional more-extended rest period resulted in surprising gains for me.

I've wondered if in game muscle recovery is different when playing short burst on/short burst off rather than 10 or 12 mins, or for the best players, 30 mins w tiny time out breaks. I'm sure that state of art S&C facility has lots of analytic data on this.

 

[lvocd]

this span of time between games w ill be good for them

Except they practice as hard, or harder, than they play. Unless they're getting several consecutive off days now and then? I have no idea.

 

[37620VOL]

I've wondered if in game muscle recovery is different when playing short burst on/short burst off rather than 10 or 12 mins, or for the best players, 30 mins w tiny time out breaks. I'm sure that state of art S&C facility has lots of analytic data on this.

"At high intensities, when oxygen demand from the working muscles exceeds supply, those muscles rely on anaerobic pathways to produce energy. Carbs are broken down to produce lactate, and hydrogen ions start to accumulate, leading to The Burn. Training raises your anaerobic threshold, so you can go harder before that pain sets in."

In general, short bursts prevent hydrogen and lactate from building up, it's the whole point of this system. We are going 100% baseline to baseline. We sub in and out before getting "gassed". The other team does not sub as often, hydrogen and lactate build up, we keep it tight in the first half and crush them after halftime. What kills this advantage? Dozens of fouls, allowing the opponent to rest.

 

[lvocd]

"At high intensities, when oxygen demand from the working muscles exceeds supply, those muscles rely on anaerobic pathways to produce energy. Carbs are broken down to produce lactate, and hydrogen ions start to accumulate, leading to The Burn. Training raises your anaerobic threshold, so you can go harder before that pain sets in."

In general, short bursts prevent hydrogen and lactate from building up, it's the whole point of this system. We are going 100% baseline to baseline. We sub in and out before getting "gassed". The other team does not sub as often, hydrogen and lactate build up, we keep it tight in the first half and crush them after halftime. What kills this advantage? Dozens of fouls, allowing the opponent to rest.

Great post.

 

[Rooster1]

Except they practice as hard, or harder, than they play. Unless they're getting several consecutive off days now and then? I have no idea.

Not many teams will have the cardio or depth to keep pace with this version of the LV’s. I stand by my thoughts that UT will overwhelm most teams in those departments. For the games against teams with similar depth, they still have to deal with the LV full court press all game. Not gonna be easy for most. Only the deepest and more talented teams can handle those factors.

CKC is certainly cutting edge in her system, and I see many posters lamenting on her quick substitution patterns still, but that is at the core of her strategy, which tbh looks like a winning strategy imo. I cannot wait to see her team against conference foes that are quality teams this year. Would not bet against her, even in year one. I think UT finishes 3rd this year in the SEC, with something like 5-6 losses total.

I wanted to put one caveat in this projection, I realize that she is expecting a child, and I have no idea how many games if any she might miss, but if she is missing for any games this season it would impact things to an extent, she is needed on the sidelines coaching her team, she is the alpha. Unlike many (pollsters), I don’t need to see anymore from her to know she is going to be great in the SEC.

 

[chuckiepoo]

if she is missing for any games this season it would impact things to an extent, she is needed on the sidelines coaching her team, she is the alpha.

 

[Mafiaboss]

Not many teams will have the cardio or depth to keep pace with this version of the LV’s. I stand by my thoughts that UT will overwhelm most teams in those departments. For the games against teams with similar depth, they still have to deal with the LV full court press all game. Not gonna be easy for most. Only the deepest and more talented teams can handle those factors.

CKC is certainly cutting edge in her system, and I see many posters lamenting on her quick substitution patterns still, but that is at the core of her strategy, which tbh looks like a winning strategy imo. I cannot wait to see her team against conference foes that are quality teams this year. Would not bet against her, even in year one. I think UT finishes 3rd this year in the SEC, with something like 5-6 losses total.

I wanted to put one caveat in this projection, I realize that she is expecting a child, and I have no idea how many games if any she might miss, but if she is missing for any games this season it would impact things to an extent, she is needed on the sidelines coaching her team, she is the alpha. Unlike many (pollsters), I don’t need to see anymore from her to know she is going to be great in the SEC.

She’ll coach Zoom from the hospital!

 

[Coach Jumper]

Not many teams will have the cardio or depth to keep pace with this version of the LV’s. I stand by my thoughts that UT will overwhelm most teams in those departments. For the games against teams with similar depth, they still have to deal with the LV full court press all game. Not gonna be easy for most. Only the deepest and more talented teams can handle those factors.

CKC is certainly cutting edge in her system, and I see many posters lamenting on her quick substitution patterns still, but that is at the core of her strategy, which tbh looks like a winning strategy imo. I cannot wait to see her team against conference foes that are quality teams this year. Would not bet against her, even in year one. I think UT finishes 3rd this year in the SEC, with something like 5-6 losses total.

I wanted to put one caveat in this projection, I realize that she is expecting a child, and I have no idea how many games if any she might miss, but if she is missing for any games this season it would impact things to an extent, she is needed on the sidelines coaching her team, she is the alpha. Unlike many (pollsters), I don’t need to see anymore from her to know she is going to be great in the SEC.

the only problem I have with the subbing pattern is with the starters,,,I think they should get at least 2.5-3 minutes instead of within a minute,,,,as subbing them 1 to1-1/2 minutes into a game makes "starting" less of a goal than coming off the bench,,,since the subs seem to be getting a longer stint on the floor

 

[chuckiepoo]

the only problem I have with the subbing pattern is with the starters,,,I think they should get at least 2.5-3 minutes instead of within a minute,,,,as subbing them 1 to1-1/2 minutes into a game makes "starting" less of a goal than coming off the bench,,,since the subs seem to be getting a longer stint on the floor

Be patient, I guess…

 

[Golfteacher]

Not many teams will have the cardio or depth to keep pace with this version of the LV’s. I stand by my thoughts that UT will overwhelm most teams in those departments. For the games against teams with similar depth, they still have to deal with the LV full court press all game. Not gonna be easy for most. Only the deepest and more talented teams can handle those factors.

CKC is certainly cutting edge in her system, and I see many posters lamenting on her quick substitution patterns still, but that is at the core of her strategy, which tbh looks like a winning strategy imo. I cannot wait to see her team against conference foes that are quality teams this year. Would not bet against her, even in year one. I think UT finishes 3rd this year in the SEC, with something like 5-6 losses total.

I wanted to put one caveat in this projection, I realize that she is expecting a child, and I have no idea how many games if any she might miss, but if she is missing for any games this season it would impact things to an extent, she is needed on the sidelines coaching her team, she is the alpha. Unlike many (pollsters), I don’t need to see anymore from her to know she is going to be great in the SEC.

The only thing I am concerned about are the ticky tack fouls that the team is committing. I wonder sometimes if the refs are not used to this system and are calling fouls which are really not there. They still need to keep the back end closed on defense. The paint seems a little vulnerable and a good team will take advantage of that.

 

[lvocd]

She’ll coach Zoom from the hospital!

Byyyy Gawwwd!

 

[Mafiaboss]

Byyyy Gawwwd!

My colleague presented via Zoom from her hospital bed two hours after giving birth to her daughter!!

 

[Mafiaboss]

The only thing I am concerned about are the ticky tack fouls that the team is committing. I wonder sometimes if the refs are not used to this system and are calling fouls which are really not there. They still need to keep the back end closed on defense. The paint seems a little vulnerable and a good team will take advantage of that.

I hate those calls!!!! Spencer gets smashed in the face with the ball, no call. One slight brush against a hand, call.

 

[VolBalls33]

Liberty played Duke tough, I don't think this game will be a 30 point beat down like UT first 2 games. If UT does beat them by 30 UT should jump into the top 25 if you ask me. Already should be anyway if you ask me.

 

[lvocd]

The only thing I am concerned about are the ticky tack fouls that the team is committing. I wonder sometimes if the refs are not used to this system and are calling fouls which are really not there. They still need to keep the back end closed on defense. The paint seems a little vulnerable and a good team will take advantage of that.

The only thing I am concerned about are the ticky tack fouls that the team is committing. I wonder sometimes if the refs are not used to this system and are calling fouls which are really not there. They still need to keep the back end closed on defense. The paint seems a little vulnerable and a good team will take advantage of that.

Consider it a positive our players are learning these lessons in what will and will not be whistled as fouls now while they are still in the pre-SEC slate. Kim has kinda mentioned, with a wry grin, a few times in interviews about how her players don't seem to think they foul when they definitely ARE fouling...

So I'm glad they're learning their limits early on. Seems like they're getting good lessons every game, and that's huge. The schedule has been perfect so far, and Liberty will be another good "tweener" to learn more about ourselves from.

On a personal note, I'm super sad I'm going to have to miss attending this game after having planned to head up there with a friend. I'll be able to watch on TV, but any of you who are regulars at TBA (Food City ... ugh) know, once you're hooked on being in the arena for every home game then it feels really, REALLY weird to not be there. I'm already freaking out a little.

I sure love this team already and hope they kick some Liberty butt on Saturday. .

 

[lvocd]

Liberty played Duke tough, I don't think this game will be a 30 point beat down like UT first 2 games. If UT does beat them by 30 UT should jump into the top 25 if you ask me. Already should be anyway if you ask me.

That's how I'm feeling about it, too.