Yea, how does Chaney correct this? I understand many think he can do most anything, but he can't make a guy think or react because he can't get into his head. Only the player himself can exercise his self discipline (if he has any) and react as he should.[/QUOTE
The one who struggled with it most will not play for the Orange this year so that MIGHT help. It’s just a matter of discipline, concentration and confidence IMO.
I think you have it backwards. We have decent to good skill players on offense, but they’re hampered greatly if the Oline doesn’t do its job.....which it very, very seldom ever did last year. Hell, most of the OLs Dobbs played behind was awful too, he just masked it oftentimes because he was an elite, and I do mean elite running college qb.Responsibility doesn’t fall solely on the OL. Y’all get that right? Yes we want deep trenches, but the guys around them gotta do their jobs at an elite level to be an elite team. Period.
What offensive line...
Oh...IT"S "OFFENSIVE"...
True but if we don’t have elite skill players, it doesn’t matter how good our line is. And I’m using the word “elite” for a reason, speed, can create, powerful, elusive... a lot of pac 12 and big ten teams have good lines, but every time they face an SEC opponent, players can’t get loose or they can’t contain, so they lose. Due to the open field elite position players I’m talking aboutI think you have it backwards. We have decent to good skill players on offense, but they’re hampered greatly if the Oline doesn’t do its job.....which it very, very seldom ever did last year. Hell, most of the OLs Dobbs played behind was awful too, he just masked it oftentimes because he was an elite, and I do mean elite running college qb.
I think you have it backwards. We have decent to good skill players on offense, but they’re hampered greatly if the Oline doesn’t do its job.....which it very, very seldom ever did last year. Hell, most of the OLs Dobbs played behind was awful too, he just masked it oftentimes because he was an elite, and I do mean elite running college qb.
This subject gets mentioned in many threads. Thought it would be good to discuss more in depth in one place.
There appears to be a general assumption that it will be better (some even say far better) than last year. Some think the rookie tackles are a lock to be starters, others caution that if you are playing freshman tackles in the SEC it's a sign that you are still in trouble. The "fire Friend" talk seems to have died down. Can our tight ends do the job they need to do? Do you think players who did not perform well in the past will show improvement? Why?
Would love to hear everyone's opinions, especially from those among us with serious football knowledge who could break down the "why" of their thoughts.
This subject gets mentioned in many threads. Thought it would be good to discuss more in depth in one place.
There appears to be a general assumption that it will be better (some even say far better) than last year. Some think the rookie tackles are a lock to be starters, others caution that if you are playing freshman tackles in the SEC it's a sign that you are still in trouble. The "fire Friend" talk seems to have died down. Can our tight ends do the job they need to do? Do you think players who did not perform well in the past will show improvement? Why?
Would love to hear everyone's opinions, especially from those among us with serious football knowledge who could break down the "why" of their thoughts.
That's a pretty good stab.OK, who are the Week 1 Starters (+3 next in line) and then who are they for Week 10? Assuming 0 attrition. Here's my stab at it with notes.
Week 1:
RT - Marcus Tatum (Stronger & more experienced
RG - Ryan Johnson(Stronger & more experienced)
C - Brandon Kennedy (Healthy)
LG - Jahmir Johnson (More understanding, bigger & stronger)
LT - Trey Smith (Rusty early. Beastly)
6th lineman - Jerome Carvin
7th lineman - Wanya Morris
8th lineman - Darnell Wright
Week 10:
RT - Wanya Morris
RG - Jahmir Johnson
C - Brandon Kennedy
LG - Trey Smith
LT - Darnell Wright
6th lineman - Marcus Tatum
7th lineman - Ryan Johnson
8th lineman -Jerome Carvin
Beginning the season I'll give the group @ a 5:10 SEC rating. By week 10 I'll give em a 6:10 rating with a big expectations for 2020.
... next.
There is no "the reason". He is A reason... as is the OL.... as are the receivers... as was the coaching.Spot on KB. It's blindly obvious. JG has his weaknesses but he's not the reason for our abysmal offensive performances the past two years.
LmaoThere is no "the reason". He is A reason... as is the OL.... as are the receivers... as was the coaching.
If you want to say that the OL is more of a reason than JG then you really shouldn't have a problem with honest criticisms of JG's game. Whether you say he was 25% or 40% or 60%... his indecision and other issues significantly contributed.
this doesn't make a ton of sense......you say you have no problem in critisizing JG, then go on to say that those criticisms are a strawman argument?Lmao
I don't have a problemo with criticism against JG. He ate a lot of sacks when he could've thrown the ball away or made better reads. But you obviously have not watched any of our games if you think JG was the a significant part of our losing ways. Sure, you might could say that his RS FR year was primarily his fault but let's be honest, that's a strawman fallacy. The proof is in the pudding about our OL. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see they've been hot garbage since 2013 but an average person watching the games could easily identify the problem...just like most commentators. But like you said, it's not totally the OL's fault for our wins and losses but it is the MAJORITY.
OK, who are the Week 1 Starters (+3 next in line) and then who are they for Week 10? Assuming 0 attrition. Here's my stab at it with notes.
Week 1:
RT - Marcus Tatum (Stronger & more experienced
RG - Ryan Johnson(Stronger & more experienced)
C - Brandon Kennedy (Healthy)
LG - Jahmir Johnson (More understanding, bigger & stronger)
LT - Trey Smith (Rusty early. Beastly)
6th lineman - Jerome Carvin
7th lineman - Wanya Morris
8th lineman - Darnell Wright
Week 10:
RT - Wanya Morris
RG - Jahmir Johnson
C - Brandon Kennedy
LG - Trey Smith
LT - Darnell Wright
6th lineman - Marcus Tatum
7th lineman - Ryan Johnson
8th lineman -Jerome Carvin
Beginning the season I'll give the group @ a 5:10 SEC rating. By week 10 I'll give em a 6:10 rating with a big expectations for 2020.
... next.
McBride? Uhhh...somebody break the news.Ok lets assume that starting 5 is correct. Although I believe Trey Smith will not play. Ranking them 5:10 as an SEC caliber OL is being generous to say the least. I would say more like 2:10. Smith and Kennedy are the only ones capable of being considered SEC level.
As far as your lineup at week 10? That may be better depending on how Wright and Morris develop. I hope guys like McBride, Chris Akpro and Carvin somehow develop into starters. Those are some big dudes. But if your lineup is correct, then I could see it being a solid mid level OL for the SEC.
So you don't have a problem with criticizing JG... but then have a problem with assigning any significant part of the blame to JG's problems... got it. You want to give him 25% that's fine. But that's a significant part of the problem.Lmao
I don't have a problemo with criticism against JG. He ate a lot of sacks when he could've thrown the ball away or made better reads. But you obviously have not watched any of our games if you think JG was the a significant part of our losing ways. Sure, you might could say that his RS FR year was primarily his fault but let's be honest, that's a strawman fallacy. The proof is in the pudding about our OL. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see they've been hot garbage since 2013 but an average person watching the games could easily identify the problem...just like most commentators. But like you said, it's not totally the OL's fault for our wins and losses but it is the MAJORITY.
If we don't play Freshmen tackles in the first game, we will be in November.This subject gets mentioned in many threads. Thought it would be good to discuss more in depth in one place.
There appears to be a general assumption that it will be better (some even say far better) than last year. Some think the rookie tackles are a lock to be starters, others caution that if you are playing freshman tackles in the SEC it's a sign that you are still in trouble. The "fire Friend" talk seems to have died down. Can our tight ends do the job they need to do? Do you think players who did not perform well in the past will show improvement? Why?
Would love to hear everyone's opinions, especially from those among us with serious football knowledge who could break down the "why" of their thoughts.
For some unknown reason, the Oline looked as if it played good games against Auburn and Kentucky. If they played that well the whole season, we likely would have won 3 more games last year.Lmao
I don't have a problemo with criticism against JG. He ate a lot of sacks when he could've thrown the ball away or made better reads. But you obviously have not watched any of our games if you think JG was the a significant part of our losing ways. Sure, you might could say that his RS FR year was primarily his fault but let's be honest, that's a strawman fallacy. The proof is in the pudding about our OL. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see they've been hot garbage since 2013 but an average person watching the games could easily identify the problem...just like most commentators. But like you said, it's not totally the OL's fault for our wins and losses but it is the MAJORITY.
For some unknown reason, the Oline looked as if it played good games against Auburn and Kentucky. If they played that well the whole season, we likely would have won 3 more games last year.