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Apologies that I am a little behind on posting this yearly analysis of how 4 year trailing recruiting averages tend to predict success in the SEC.

Here is the 2016 schedule, updated through last weekend's games.

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Note that this gives some valuable insight into this weekend's match-up between the Aggies and the Vols.

First, the two teams have 4 year talent averages that are separated by .75 (that's point seven five). The Aggies have a fractional talent advantage. This game will come down to coaching and home field advantage.

Second, both teams are undefeated in the SEC, having played and beaten one more talented team (also notice how close in talent Auburn and UGA are?). The edge goes to A&M who have played a more stable Auburn (though Malzahn tends to under-perform as the season wears on) than a talented UGA with Smart (who is so far unspectacular). But, and this is significant, UT has beaten two SEC teams with top 15 talent, A&M has only beaten one.

Third, we will both be the second most talented team either team has played. Insofar as P5 OOC games, A&M has the edge, beating a UCLA team that is only slightly less talented than Florida, compared to our win over Va Tech are in the 30 range (to be fair that is the Stanford, Washington range of talent), but still less talented than Kentucky.

Consider that with all of the talk about how unbalanced the divisions in the SEC are, if you average out the four year trailing average of all teams on each team's schedule, you are left with the West playing teams that are as talented as Oklahoma, with the East averaging playing teams as talented as Michigan. I believe that the solution is relatively simple. Swap Missouri and Auburn to keep the geographic delineation proper, and the divisions would be balanced, if not slightly favoring the East.

The two teams that are, to date, under-performing significantly are both in the east, and both of them are under new coaches. Time will tell if these schools tend to plain out, but I believe that firing Richt (like Miles) will be a difficult transition to teams that were very stable in relation to talent. Muschamp is one of the worst coaches I have ever ran these evaluations on, and that includes Derek Dooley. How that guy got another job is a sign of an absolute inability for administrators to truly understand what drives wins and losses.

Bottom line. The numbers say we lose the next two games. If the A&M game was in Neyland, I might be willing to pick a UT win, but talent marginally favors A&M, and home field advantage is definitely in their favor.

The key to our season is to win the remaining games that we *should* win (SCAR, Mizzou, Vandy, Kentucky) and play with "house money" the next two weeks. Let the chips fall where they may and GO VOLS!
 
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Thanks, daj.

Always interested to see these numbers.

Congrats on the recent addition to your family. Hope Mom, big sister and baby girl are all doing well.
 
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Thanks, daj.

Always interested to see these numbers.

Congrats on the recent addition to your family. Hope Mom, big sister and baby girl are all doing well.

Thanks! Everyone is doing well and adjusting to the new normal. :)
 
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Thanks! Everyone is doing well and adjusting to the new normal. :)

Using your spreadsheet, looks like Muschamp is up to (rather down to) his old ways. Smart looks shaky but that might be from culture shock in the transition from Richt and learning new systems. Right now, Smart is recruiting very well, I think.
 
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Using your spreadsheet, looks like Muschamp is up to (rather down to) his old ways. Smart looks shaky but that might be from culture shock in the transition from Richt and learning new systems. Right now, Smart is recruiting very well, I think.

Yup.

It will be interesting to see how long either of those trends last.

Muschamp recruited rather well at Florida, well enough to win games, but he didn't know how to get out of his own way. I doubt that will change at SCAR, with less available talent falling in his lap.

Smart is an unknown, but it is very likely he won't exceed Richt's long term success. That's why its a head scratching gamble to trade Miles/Richt for an unknown. You only trade those guys for a known quantity, a guy that has a history of success, above what you already have.
 
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You mentioned talent levels outside the SEC. Who is over and underachieving the most nationwide?
 
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You mentioned talent levels outside the SEC. Who is over and underachieving the most nationwide?

I haven't looked at it yet this season.

It's really too early to draw any sort of conclusions about over performance, as often those media driven narratives come crashing down as more games are played. In other words, early season perception of value is often incorrect.
 
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I haven't looked at it yet this season.

It's really too early to draw any sort of conclusions about over performance, as often those media driven narratives come crashing down as more games are played. In other words, early season perception of value is often incorrect.

Got it. Always enjoy your posts, daj. And your avi. R.I.P. Mr. Wilder.
 
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Apologies that I am a little behind on posting this yearly analysis of how 4 year trailing recruiting averages tend to predict success in the SEC.

Here is the 2016 schedule, updated through last weekend's games.

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Note that this gives some valuable insight into this weekend's match-up between the Aggies and the Vols.

First, the two teams have 4 year talent averages that are separated by .75 (that's point seven five). The Aggies have a fractional talent advantage. This game will come down to coaching and home field advantage.

Second, both teams are undefeated in the SEC, having played and beaten one more talented team (also notice how close in talent Auburn and UGA are?). The edge goes to A&M who have played a more stable Auburn (though Malzahn tends to under-perform as the season wears on) than a talented UGA with Smart (who is so far unspectacular). But, and this is significant, UT has beaten two SEC teams with top 15 talent, A&M has only beaten one.

Third, we will both be the second most talented team either team has played. Insofar as P5 OOC games, A&M has the edge, beating a UCLA team that is only slightly less talented than Florida, compared to our win over Va Tech are in the 30 range (to be fair that is the Stanford, Washington range of talent), but still less talented than Kentucky.

Consider that with all of the talk about how unbalanced the divisions in the SEC are, if you average out the four year trailing average of all teams on each team's schedule, you are left with the West playing teams that are as talented as Oklahoma, with the East averaging playing teams as talented as Michigan. I believe that the solution is relatively simple. Swap Missouri and Auburn to keep the geographic delineation proper, and the divisions would be balanced, if not slightly favoring the East.

The two teams that are, to date, under-performing significantly are both in the east, and both of them are under new coaches. Time will tell if these schools tend to plain out, but I believe that firing Richt (like Miles) will be a difficult transition to teams that were very stable in relation to talent. Muschamp is one of the worst coaches I have ever ran these evaluations on, and that includes Derek Dooley. How that guy got another job is a sign of an absolute inability for administrators to truly understand what drives wins and losses.

Bottom line. The numbers say we lose the next two games. If the A&M game was in Neyland, I might be willing to pick a UT win, but talent marginally favors A&M, and home field advantage is definitely in their favor.

The key to our season is to win the remaining games that we *should* win (SCAR, Mizzou, Vandy, Kentucky) and play with "house money" the next two weeks. Let the chips fall where they may and GO VOLS!

^ With all that said the Vols still gonna win. ^:yes:
 
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Using your spreadsheet, looks like Muschamp is up to (rather down to) his old ways. Smart looks shaky but that might be from culture shock in the transition from Richt and learning new systems. Right now, Smart is recruiting very well, I think.

Richt is laughing all the way to the bank , getting ready to hammer 'LIL jimbo. :lol:
 
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Also, here are the results back to 2013. Note that while aTm has definitely improved their talent, they also have tended to under-perform that talent.

As a comparison, they have gone -1, -2, and -1 over the past three years. UT has gone -2, -2, 0 during that same span. In aggregate, both teams have performed exactly the same over three years in conference play in relation to talent.

It will be interesting to see at the end of the year if Sumlin remains a negative net effect coach, and if Jones continues to improve his performance. A win on Saturday and Jones will be +2 on the year, and Sumlin would be back to -1 (that would make both trend lines much more appealing to my eyes).

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Injuries and gameflow/special teams will decide the game. Honestly, I think that UT might be advantaged if TxAM has the same injuries that they had with South Carolina.
 
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Muschamp is one of the most puzzling hires of all time. I have no idea what Junior was thinking with that one.

Having said that, he might still be better than Dooley, as he at least can put a good D on the field.
 
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Muschamp is one of the most puzzling hires of all time. I have no idea what Junior was thinking with that one.

Having said that, he might still be better than Dooley, as he at least can put a good D on the field.

Im no Dooley fan. But, Dooley and Muschamp never had similar talent. If you compare Dooley at UT v. Muschamp at Florida, Dooley actually did more with less in respect to talent expectations (that can be said while acknowledging that Dooley's under-achieving less talented team couldn't beat Muschamp's under-achieving more talented teams).

Put a totally blind man in a Ferrari and he can still go faster than the legally blind man in a Camry. Either way, the wrecks will be fantastic.
 
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Here is an evaluation that might shock most of you (it certainly would most pundits who tend to over-react to the performance of a non-SEC conference). This is especially true for those that believe UGA, Va Tech and Florida are evidence that UT hasn't played ''anybody'' yet.

This is a conference by conference break down of the recruited relative talent on each team's roster showing the talent spread and average strength of each conference.

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Notice that the SEC has an average team strength that is better than all but one team in the B1G, would be the third best team in the PAC and BIGXII, and the 4th best team in the ACC. Shockingly, the average team strength in the other 4 conferences puts their average team squarely in the bottom 2 teams in the SEC. To look at it another way, the worst teams in the SEC are about average talent in the other conferences.

Here is something else to consider when looking at Team 120 and their path to an SEC divisional championship, conference championship, or playoff birth. Tennessee would be the most talented team in the BIGXII, the second most talented team in the B1G and PAC, and the 4th in the ACC. By contrast, Tennessee is the 6th most talented SEC team, and plays 3 of the 5 more talented teams. There is not a team in another conference that has the recruited talent whereby they could be expected to go undefeated in the SEC.

I wonder if Texas A&M regrets coming to the SEC? They left the middle of the BIG XII to jump into the middle of the SEC West. Assuming the same capital investments in recruiting and facilities that A&M invested when they jumped to the SEC, they would be firmly in the driver's seat of the BIG XII and in playoff talks. Their path to the SEC West crown is more difficult than they would be facing to get a conference championship, and a likely playoff birth, in the BIG XII.
 
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So, after another weekend of SEC games here is the updated matrix.

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Better talent predicted every win. Shocking, or no?

That A&M game was a great game. I hate that we lost, but we are doing something right. I'm getting texts from friends and relatives (people who are at best ambivalent towards UT/SEC, and at worst hostile) who say that UT has the most guts of any team they see play; that if you play UT you just have to kill them because they are never out of the game; they are fun to watch; hugely improved; back to the UT of old; college football is better off with UT being ''back''; opponents should be terrified to play this team because they can never relax or feel in control of the game; etc.

I like that.

And, I agree. We are on the right track. But, as I have been saying since back in May, this probably isn't the year that some of the more doe-eyed Vol faithful want it to be.

For the rest of this season, it is more important that we win every game we should. Doing that is far more important than winning one game we shouldn't. A 10-2 regular season would be amazing, given that this is the best team UT has fielded in a decade, and is exponentially better than the teams we were fielding as late as 2013. Truth be told, I have a feeling that Team#120 will be viewed as the team that transitioned UT back to national relevancy, but won't be the best team Tennessee fields in the next three years.

If Jones can leverage a 10-2 season to even better recruiting then, while good things are already here, great things are coming.
 
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Also, lest we forget how bad things were versus how reasonable they are now, let's look at UT's wins/losses against yearly SEC competition since 2006.

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This has to help with recruiting. Any word from any of you guys connected. Yes I know recruiting forum but would like to hear from anyone who has some insight. Thx
 
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