Let’s not hope for having nice things/let’s take them

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photovol said:
Ok op, I'm all in, I'm as tired of losing as you are:)
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They all cheat--it's just a matter of degree and how good you are at it--and also, whether or not you're able to keep from pizzing the wrong people off (see Bruce Pearl).
 
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#28
winning by any means necessary is not for me...good luck with that philosophy...:peace2:

GO VOLS!
 
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Maybe it's time to see UT for what it really is? The glory days are long gone. Hell, we couldn't win a title with a generational QB like Manning running the show and drawing NFL talent to the hill. The one title we did get in 50 years took a decade worth of good luck and breaks going our way plus getting into a championship game vs an opponent who was down to their third team QB. UT isn't royalty. We have a very good program and on occasion, we will have the stars align and get a big win here and there ala the Pearl era. To imagine us consistently running with the Alabamas in football and the UNC of basketball isn't being realistic. This isn't our history....at least in my nearly 60 years of following UT athletics. Maybe we are on the verge of a great run under Pruitt and Barnes....then again, maybe not. One thing that's been consistent....UT being UT. Call me a nega or whatever descriptor you like, but this is simply our reality. Can it change? Sure, but I certainly don't expect it. As I said, I have nearly 60 years of evidence to draw upon. Why should I expect us to suddenly become the next Clemson or Alabama? Why should I imagine us in the final 4 year after year running with the Dukes and UNC of the world? Based on what? Want? Desire? Hell, I and others have been on that road for decades. How has it worked out? Nope. That's not the UT I know.
 
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If you want those type of programs you have to do what they do. Taking the moral high ground on every issue won't get you there. It's a dirty business. Those teams cut corners, do questionable things, but win on a regular basis..You can't have it both ways. Well you can but you get what you get out of it.
 
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Cartervol said:
If you want those type of programs you have to do what they do. Taking the moral high ground on every issue won't get you there. It's a dirty business. Those teams cut corners, do questionable things, but win on a regular basis..You can't have it both ways. Well you can but you get what you get out of it.
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Yep.
And the blue blood programs like UNC get caught redhanded with no punishment.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
Yep.
And the blue blood programs like UNC get caught redhanded with no punishment.
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And when UT gets caught, the NCAA makes an example of us. The Pearl BBQ leaps to mind. You're not the first to think this way. Was a common topic in many of the Stud threads regarding Bama and Memphis. UT is UT. That's just the way it is.
 
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81Orange said:
I couldn’t enjoy a championship if I had had to cheat to win it. You claim to fame would have to be “ I am the best cheater. “

Football does build character it is just that too many coaches and players want to cheat there way through it. They get short term success. But fail in the long term.
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I agree.but some people believe that cheating is the only way to success and they are too soft to put the effort into doing it with hard work and faith. These scum bags who would rather cheat than roll up their sleeves and earn it seem to prevalent in our work place, our society, our fan base, and our politics. Reminds me of the situations which proceeded World War II. Society continues to forget the mistakes made in the past.
This idea that if a task is too difficult to accomplish, just cheat to get it seems to be the norm today.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
Yep.
And the blue blood programs like UNC get caught redhanded with no punishment.
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Tennessee wants to be Harvard in the classroom and Alabama on the football field. It's not the fans that have kept this thing down. As far as Basketball goes it's even more crooked. Probably should be happy with what they got. The "Saints" (I use that term loosely) up there would never do what it took to get 5 star McDonald's all Americans here on a regular basis. There is no commitment up there to be in the championship picture in any sport. They talk a good game but that's it. Make your donations and pay for your tickets. What they're truly good at is selling false hope to a gullible fan base. That, they're damn good at unfortunately.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Maybe it's time to see UT for what it really is? The glory days are long gone. Hell, we couldn't win a title with a generational QB like Manning running the show and drawing NFL talent to the hill. The one title we did get in 50 years took a decade worth of good luck and breaks going our way plus getting into a championship game vs an opponent who was down to their third team QB. UT isn't royalty. We have a very good program and on occasion, we will have the stars align and get a big win here and there ala the Pearl era. To imagine us consistently running with the Alabamas in football and the UNC of basketball isn't being realistic. This isn't our history....at least in my nearly 60 years of following UT athletics. Maybe we are on the verge of a great run under Pruitt and Barnes....then again, maybe not. One thing that's been consistent....UT being UT. Call me a nega or whatever descriptor you like, but this is simply our reality. Can it change? Sure, but I certainly don't expect it. As I said, I have nearly 60 years of evidence to draw upon. Why should I expect us to suddenly become the next Clemson or Alabama? Why should I imagine us in the final 4 year after year running with the Dukes and UNC of the world? Based on what? Want? Desire? Hell, I and others have been on that road for decades. How has it worked out? Nope. That's not the UT I know.
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Regarding football, I don't agree with you at all. UT is definitely not a basketball school, and any progress there is going to be slow go.

Regarding football, we are a top ten program historically. If I remember correctly, Alabama had quite a run of mediocrity before Saban showed up; and Clemson--good Lord! Before Dabo's little run there the past few years, they were steeped in also-ran years.

A great coach and staff makes a lot of difference.
 
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photovol said:
Vfl2407 said:
So after losing AThomas and the hoops game today, I about started to join the chorus of....oh poor us..when are we going to be lucky and good things start happening to us.
But to hell with that...we’ve got to start MAKING nice things happen...if that means making up classes that nobody attends ok. Sure didn’t hurt UNCheat .....if it means hiring absolute immoral scoundrels that can recruit like crazy and know how to use bag men. Ok. By me
Im tired of being a choir boy loser. In every sport.
Anybody with me ready for a Renegade reVOLution? Let’s take what we want by any means necessary. I’m too old to wait around for trips to the playoffs and a final four.[/QUOTE

I think "winners always feel this way", they have a definite swag about themselves and take on all comers attitude......almost mandatory in the SEC, if you plan on being on top:)
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It is unfortunate that a greater percentage of cheaters and those with poor character, are not discovered. However, when one looks at hat has happened at Penn State, OleMiss NBC, CBS, Hollywood, politics and other segments of our society prove that cheaters do not always succeed.
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DonDiego said:
Regarding football, I don't agree with you at all. UT is definitely not a basketball school, and any progress there is going to be slow go.

Regarding football, we are a top ten program historically. If I remember correctly, Alabama had quite a run of mediocrity before Saban showed up; and Clemson--good Lord! Before Dabo's little run there the past few years, they were steeped in also-ran years.

A great coach and staff makes a lot of difference.
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Key word is Historically. Case in point. Going into the coaching search this was probably one of the top jobs coming open you had to think. Then the fiasco ensues. They couldn't get out of their own way up there, and turned a attractive job into something the NC State coach turned down, yeah NC State. That example is everything that is wrong up there at the current time. It has to be fixed from within, not sure that's ever going to happen. Meddlesome booster who owns the worst franchise in the NFL, had our hand picked coach in his back pocket before a search ever started. Worst part is they were all on board, Davenport included until the backlash. She only got Fulmer to save her own neck IMO. That's how tone deaf they are up there. Worst football season in history and they're going to hire Greg Schiano to fix it. Yeah :crazy:
 
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ReasonableUTfan said:
Choir boy loser? No, what you're saying is while hovered around the water cooler you're tired of people of giving your grief. Fair weather comes to mind. If you watched or listened to the UNC game today you would have been proud of a team that fought hard for all they could. Yes they came up short but we as fans... and that alluded s to over 99% here that's all you are or will ever be. I played ball on the DivII scale and knows what it's like to win and loose at a high level. If you for one second think about how this loss or a football game loss makes you feel bad, magnify it by 1000% and then you might come close to what a player feels. My son lost his opening round of the DivIII playoffs and even though he gets a conference ring cried like a baby because as fan YOU ONLY YOU THINK YOU KNOW WHAT IT MEANS, some of you didn't make it past Jr High playing ball but you all know more that the coaches. You people are a waste of breath and should pick up hurling or ice hockey to get your kicks.

I read in a post wanting JJ back and the poster mentioned football isn't about building character,,,,,,NEWSFLASH... thats 100% what it's about. Learning football prepares one to face living in adverse times, teaches team work, and makes one achieve goals you can't complete on your own. If you truly believe this doesn't build character in a student athlete then you need to step away from the game and play pac-man or something to give yourself the fan a sense of importance. I hate to clue you in but the normal player, plays for the man beside him and he doesn't give a rip (fan) thinks about it.

The average fan has never gone through what these athletes go through or never will but they tear down a kid like jumper who plays his tail off and has made a team they only wish they could. That kid alone has ran through more T's than they ever could but to make themselves feel special (morons) they feel the need to tear him down.

I played D2 ball and would have given anything to play D1 ball but the cards spoke and you play them as they lay, but I for one am tired of hearing any fan criticize a player for doing something they only wish they could do.

And for those that feel the need to slam CBJ every chance they get as well as Bob Kesling, GROW UP!!!!! So easy to condemn other for something you could NEVER do and to try to make yourself feel special tearing others down to elevate yourself is pathetic.


Flame away
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AMEN! Oh, we don't see or hear CJP, CRB and CHW knocking down all of these armchair coaches' doors for their services.

Flame away, again.
 
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DonDiego said:
I'm not...lol. The GOAL of football isn't to build character--utter naive nonsense. If you get a great coach with great values and he can build character, then by all means, you have a really great coach.

The goal of football is to get coaches bigger contracts with more money and security, and to get players a chance to play in the NFL where there is big money.

The fans are just the useful idiots that finance the whole scheme.
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ehhh, i'll plead the 5th on responding to this
 
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