Legal Weed Hurting Profits For Big Pharma Opioid Dealers

[zeppelin128]

Might make the price of opioids go up for those that really need them. Not sure if this is a good thing or bad thing. If the abuse of opioids go down in Oklahoma then maybe it will be a good thing.

It will depend on how they use the money. Hard to tell how it will go, we are in uncharted territory here.

 

[Purple Tiger]

double post.

 

[BigOrangeD]

It will depend on how they use the money. Hard to tell how it will go, we are in uncharted territory here.

Good point.

 

[hog88]

You have been fed complete BS. As an HR professional, I can promise you that healthcare costs have been going up 10-15% annually since the late 1980s. They were steadily increasing before the ACA and have actually increased less since. Go to the SHRM or Kaiser-Permanente websites for some honest, non-political historical data on health insurance rates and increases.

Wrong. There has ever been a ten dollar co-pay for the ER or surgeries - and they are "medically related."

Companies put in higher deductibles and co-pays so premiums will not increase even more. If your plan did not have them, then your premiums would be a lot more.

Just saying

 

[C-south]

There has ever been a ten dollar co-pay for the ER or surgeries - and they are "medically related."

Companies put in higher deductibles and co-pays so premiums will not increase even more. If your plan did not have them, then your premiums would be a lot more.

I know I remember paying $10 copay for a doctors visit and at most $10 for prescriptions. It may have been $20 if referred to a specialist. ER i can’t fully remember but it may have been $50 but I don’t even think it was that much. People were having babies and paying $10. You can believe what you want. This was with CIGNA.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

I know I remember paying $10 copay for a doctors visit and at most $10 for prescriptions. It may have been $20 if referred to a specialist. ER i can’t fully remember but it may have been $50 but I don’t even think it was that much. People were having babies and paying $10. You can believe what you want. This was with CIGNA.

Correct, utilization of healthcare caused premiums to increase. Individuals, went to the Dr. because it cost virtually nothing. We need those 80/20 plans or stop-loss plans with a big preventive care incentive.

 

[LouderVol]

Wow.
"In a landmark decision, an Oklahoma judge on Monday ordered pharmaceutical giant Johnson & Johnson to pay $572 million for its role in the state's opioid crisis."

jesus. got to imagine this starts to fall into other states too.

think about what this means. J&J in Oklahoma alone was responsible/tied to the opiod problem to an extent where they are having to pay 572 million. Got to imagine J&J isn't the only pusher in the state.

when people ask how big is Big Pharma remember 572 million dollars worth of liability in the 28th most populated state.

granted this is probably calculated from exposure over years. but that is still an incredible number.

 

[LouderVol]

You have been fed complete BS. As an HR professional, I can promise you that healthcare costs have been going up 10-15% annually since the late 1980s. They were steadily increasing before the ACA and have actually increased less since. Go to the SHRM or Kaiser-Permanente websites for some honest, non-political historical data on health insurance rates and increases.

go to the pushers? and Kaiser was the one, whoever it was, pointed me to that got me going.
"Costs only went up 1% when people switched to cheaper plans" that type of bs. or the BS where they say "when you take into account the subsidies costs have gone down" that bs. its still my money being used to pay for it

this is the first year (2018-2019)prices have generally dropped across all plans. not just specific ACA platforms. find me the actual data Kaiser uses, again in the above article that praised it Kaiser didn't back up their statement with numbers or a link. which makes it smell funky as all get out. you can make specific information say whatever you want when dealing with large numbers of data points and unspecific variables. give me the actual apples to apples math and I will believe you. until then its just them hiding behind pretty words.

 

[LouderVol]

There has ever been a ten dollar co-pay for the ER or surgeries - and they are "medically related."

Companies put in higher deductibles and co-pays so premiums will not increase even more. If your plan did not have them, then your premiums would be a lot more.

so they are pushing the costs around to hide the sticker shock. remind me how this is actually price of health care going down?

 

[zeppelin128]

jesus. got to imagine this starts to fall into other states too.

think about what this means. J&J in Oklahoma alone was responsible/tied to the opiod problem to an extent where they are having to pay 572 million. Got to imagine J&J isn't the only pusher in the state.

when people ask how big is Big Pharma remember 572 million dollars worth of liability in the 28th most populated state.

granted this is probably calculated from exposure over years. but that is still an incredible number.

The state of Oklahoma wanted more:

"In its final filing, the state of Oklahoma implored the judge to deliver a record $17.2 billion verdict against Johnson & Johnson for flooding the state with opioids. It said the drug company created a crisis that killed more than 6,000 Oklahomans, destroyed families and wreaked havoc on communities."

They weren't screwing around.

 

[LouderVol]

The state of Oklahoma wanted more:

"In its final filing, the state of Oklahoma implored the judge to deliver a record $17.2 billion verdict against Johnson & Johnson for flooding the state with opioids. It said the drug company created a crisis that killed more than 6,000 Oklahomans, destroyed families and wreaked havoc on communities."

They weren't screwing around.

like others asked I have to wonder what they plan to do with that money? Can't be giving it to the pill heads. maybe run clinics on something? Fund/subsidize non opiod drugs?

 

[LouderVol]

Sorry about your husband. I used to work with a great guy that messed up his knee and had it operated on. Before he went in for surgery he was one of the most conscientious people anyone could have working for them. After surgery he became addicted to opiods and lost his family, his job and his life.

after my surgery I was on them for less than 2 weeks. Not long enough for me to form dependency, thank God, but long enough where I could understand getting hooked on that ish. I too was a mean mofo on them pills. I was in high school and living with my parents so my mom took care of me, and even she said she couldn't stand me while I was on them. they aint no joke.

and from reading stories, and being around some of them, I would rather deal with the pain than risk that stuff.

 

[zeppelin128]

like others asked I have to wonder what they plan to do with that money? Can't be giving it to the pill heads. maybe run clinics on something? Fund/subsidize non opiod drugs?

The ideas in this policy proposal would be a good start (a scaled down version for OK of course).

"The wide-ranging plan, which includes $100 billion in grants, calls for integrating treatment into primary care settings, increasing the number of available treatment beds, making it easier for patients to get access to medication for opioid addiction, investing in suicide prevention for veterans and addressing disparities in behavioral health care.

What would the plan do?

Beyond adding resources, the plan attempts to address the public health effects of isolation and loneliness.

The plan would beef up the behavioral health workforce by increasing reimbursement rates and making health workers' loan repayment programs more generous, specifically for those in rural, underserved areas. It also aims to increase access to opioid addiction treatment and inpatient care at psychiatric facilities.

Buttigieg would invest more in veteran suicide programs and create a three-digit suicide hotline. His plan also calls for more mental health workers in schools and increased investments in early intervention programs."

How Pete Buttigieg would tackle the mental health and addiction crisis

 

[Purple Tiger]

so they are pushing the costs around to hide the sticker shock. remind me how this is actually price of health care going down?

I never said the price was going down.

 

[Purple Tiger]

go to the pushers? and Kaiser was the one, whoever it was, pointed me to that got me going.
"Costs only went up 1% when people switched to cheaper plans" that type of bs. or the BS where they say "when you take into account the subsidies costs have gone down" that bs. its still my money being used to pay for it

this is the first year (2018-2019)prices have generally dropped across all plans. not just specific ACA platforms. find me the actual data Kaiser uses, again in the above article that praised it Kaiser didn't back up their statement with numbers or a link. which makes it smell funky as all get out. you can make specific information say whatever you want when dealing with large numbers of data points and unspecific variables. give me the actual apples to apples math and I will believe you. until then its just them hiding behind pretty words.

SHRM is not a pusher. It is the Society of Human Resource Management. Kaiser is an insurer but has done a lot of historical research on costs.

 

[LouderVol]

I never said the price was going down.

fair point.

but my point still remains. when you have plans changing like this to hide the costs can you really say costs aren't increasing as much as they were? this is why I want to see the numbers. And why I am skeptical of Kaiser, and others, hiding behind pretty words without supplying the math.

I can only speak to the same plans my company has offered since ACA, but when you look at the plans that stay the same they have consistently gone up. with this year being the first time that cost hasn't gone up more than the previous.

 

[C-south]

The ideas in this policy proposal would be a good start (a scaled down version for OK of course).

"The wide-ranging plan, which includes $100 billion in grants, calls for integrating treatment into primary care settings, increasing the number of available treatment beds, making it easier for patients to get access to medication for opioid addiction, investing in suicide prevention for veterans and addressing disparities in behavioral health care.

What would the plan do?

Beyond adding resources, the plan attempts to address the public health effects of isolation and loneliness.

The plan would beef up the behavioral health workforce by increasing reimbursement rates and making health workers' loan repayment programs more generous, specifically for those in rural, underserved areas. It also aims to increase access to opioid addiction treatment and inpatient care at psychiatric facilities.

Buttigieg would invest more in veteran suicide programs and create a three-digit suicide hotline. His plan also calls for more mental health workers in schools and increased investments in early intervention programs."

How Pete Buttigieg would tackle the mental health and addiction crisis

In other words waste it. These things are already in place and don’t work.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

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