Lebron James to Miami Heat - Per ESPN

#53
#53
Jaytrain5 said:
Cleveland doesn't deserve a "guarantee of an elite player." It's frickin' Cleveland.

Lose the entitlement mentality. It's pathetic.
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In all my time on these boards, I don't know that I've ever actually insulted another poster directly. To keep that streak alive, I'll explain, but I'll have to do it very slowly.

- Art Modell was a sleazy jackhole who signed off on deals to move the Browns to Baltimore
- Numerous lawsuits were filed by everyone from fans to various
- The lawsuits threatened to derail the actual move to Baltimore, and the NFL wasn't too keen on the idea of having a lame-duck franchise whose move was being stalled in the courts
- In order to get the move back on track, the NFL made concessions that would serve to settle the lawsuits out-of-court. These included:
-- The retention of the Cleveland Browns history, with Baltimore only being allowed to start in 1996
-- There would be a new team in Cleveland in 1999, either by expansion or relocation
- With the lawsuits dropped and a guarantee of a team returning in three years, the countdown began even as the moving trucks were being loaded

There was light at the end of the tunnel, even though it meant no NFL team for 1996, 1997, and 1998.

So, let's throw it back to here.
- The Cavaliers have historically sucked
- After the team managed to finally break the .500 mark in the late-1970s, Ted Stepien became the owner. He may well have been the worst owner in the history of professional sports. As the city and fans turned on him, Stepien threatened to move the team to Toronto, prompting the Gund brothers to buy the team.
- The team rose to respectability, with eight playoff appearances in nine years, but couldn't get over the hump
- Members of that team got old and retired, putting the team further down the ladder
- Everything culminated with the infamous Ricky Davis attempted triple-double, where the SOB shot at his own basket (and intentionally missed) to get the rebound
- Three months later, the Cavaliers won the lottery (the first time that anything had actually gone right in over 30 years), and had the chance to draft not just the best prospect in years, but a local kid (say what you will about the distance between Cleveland and Akron; it's all one big area)
- For once, things seemed to be looking up for not just the team, but the city and the region as a whole
- Then he leaves

So let's compare, having walked through this very slowly.
- Browns fans knew that there would only be a three-year wait before there would be a team back in Cleveland
- Cavaliers fans don't have a similar guarantee; there's a completely uncertain future that isn't likely to have anywhere near the success of the last seven years
- We, the people of Ohio, are collectively sick and tired of hearing not just the national media, but the overwhelming majority of non-Ohioans, lining up to take shots at us. One would think that members of this board, being largely in the South, would have at least some idea of how incredibly irritating it is to hear those who have never been within 100 miles of the area in question act like a war zone in Africa is more appealing. I look at it the same as those who treat certain insults and slurs..."We're allowed to say it about ourselves, you're not."

Is there anyone more tortured than an Ohioan? There's areas that have had over 20% unemployment for 30 years, it's possible to buy entire city blocks of cities that used to be major manufacturing hubs, and every major sports team (pro or college) in the state either sucks or is Ohio State. There hasn't been a title since 1964, and, far from being teams that come oh-so-close and fall short, they're teams that have lost in unbelievably gut-wrenching fashion. Earnest Byner on the two-yard-line. Rich Karlis' wide left kick that was somehow ruled "good" after Horseteeth Elway went 98 yards to tie it. Jordan over Ehlo. Jose Mesa. Red Right 88. The list goes on and on and on.

Entitlement mentality? You must be joking. People feel sympathy for those ******* Cubs fans who revel in their team's suckage (whose city's misery, I might add, exists only in one of two baseball teams and nowhere else). Yet we're supposed to have done something to have deserved all this? Screw that.
 
#54
#54
Well-done.

One way or another, the bottom line is that Cleveland seems forever destined for overall sports suckitude.
 
#55
#55
Ohio Vol said:
In all my time on these boards, I don't know that I've ever actually insulted another poster directly. To keep that streak alive, I'll explain, but I'll have to do it very slowly.

- Art Modell was a sleazy jackhole who signed off on deals to move the Browns to Baltimore
- Numerous lawsuits were filed by everyone from fans to various
- The lawsuits threatened to derail the actual move to Baltimore, and the NFL wasn't too keen on the idea of having a lame-duck franchise whose move was being stalled in the courts
- In order to get the move back on track, the NFL made concessions that would serve to settle the lawsuits out-of-court. These included:
-- The retention of the Cleveland Browns history, with Baltimore only being allowed to start in 1996
-- There would be a new team in Cleveland in 1999, either by expansion or relocation
- With the lawsuits dropped and a guarantee of a team returning in three years, the countdown began even as the moving trucks were being loaded

There was light at the end of the tunnel, even though it meant no NFL team for 1996, 1997, and 1998.

So, let's throw it back to here.
- The Cavaliers have historically sucked
- After the team managed to finally break the .500 mark in the late-1970s, Ted Stepien became the owner. He may well have been the worst owner in the history of professional sports. As the city and fans turned on him, Stepien threatened to move the team to Toronto, prompting the Gund brothers to buy the team.
- The team rose to respectability, with eight playoff appearances in nine years, but couldn't get over the hump
- Members of that team got old and retired, putting the team further down the ladder
- Everything culminated with the infamous Ricky Davis attempted triple-double, where the SOB shot at his own basket (and intentionally missed) to get the rebound
- Three months later, the Cavaliers won the lottery (the first time that anything had actually gone right in over 30 years), and had the chance to draft not just the best prospect in years, but a local kid (say what you will about the distance between Cleveland and Akron; it's all one big area)
- For once, things seemed to be looking up for not just the team, but the city and the region as a whole
- Then he leaves

So let's compare, having walked through this very slowly.
- Browns fans knew that there would only be a three-year wait before there would be a team back in Cleveland
- Cavaliers fans don't have a similar guarantee; there's a completely uncertain future that isn't likely to have anywhere near the success of the last seven years
- We, the people of Ohio, are collectively sick and tired of hearing not just the national media, but the overwhelming majority of non-Ohioans, lining up to take shots at us. One would think that members of this board, being largely in the South, would have at least some idea of how incredibly irritating it is to hear those who have never been within 100 miles of the area in question act like a war zone in Africa is more appealing. I look at it the same as those who treat certain insults and slurs..."We're allowed to say it about ourselves, you're not."

Is there anyone more tortured than an Ohioan? There's areas that have had over 20% unemployment for 30 years, it's possible to buy entire city blocks of cities that used to be major manufacturing hubs, and every major sports team (pro or college) in the state either sucks or is Ohio State. There hasn't been a title since 1964, and, far from being teams that come oh-so-close and fall short, they're teams that have lost in unbelievably gut-wrenching fashion. Earnest Byner on the two-yard-line. Rich Karlis' wide left kick that was somehow ruled "good" after Horseteeth Elway went 98 yards to tie it. Jordan over Ehlo. Jose Mesa. Red Right 88. The list goes on and on and on.

Entitlement mentality? You must be joking. People feel sympathy for those ******* Cubs fans who revel in their team's suckage (whose city's misery, I might add, exists only in one of two baseball teams and nowhere else). Yet we're supposed to have done something to have deserved all this? Screw that.
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So, what you're telling me is that Cleveland and its sports franchises suck?

I don't know what we were even arguing about then. I agree with you 10,000%.
 
#56
#56
Ohio Vol said:
In all my time on these boards, I don't know that I've ever actually insulted another poster directly. To keep that streak alive, I'll explain, but I'll have to do it very slowly.

- Art Modell was a sleazy jackhole who signed off on deals to move the Browns to Baltimore
- Numerous lawsuits were filed by everyone from fans to various
- The lawsuits threatened to derail the actual move to Baltimore, and the NFL wasn't too keen on the idea of having a lame-duck franchise whose move was being stalled in the courts
- In order to get the move back on track, the NFL made concessions that would serve to settle the lawsuits out-of-court. These included:
-- The retention of the Cleveland Browns history, with Baltimore only being allowed to start in 1996
-- There would be a new team in Cleveland in 1999, either by expansion or relocation
- With the lawsuits dropped and a guarantee of a team returning in three years, the countdown began even as the moving trucks were being loaded

There was light at the end of the tunnel, even though it meant no NFL team for 1996, 1997, and 1998.

So, let's throw it back to here.
- The Cavaliers have historically sucked
- After the team managed to finally break the .500 mark in the late-1970s, Ted Stepien became the owner. He may well have been the worst owner in the history of professional sports. As the city and fans turned on him, Stepien threatened to move the team to Toronto, prompting the Gund brothers to buy the team.
- The team rose to respectability, with eight playoff appearances in nine years, but couldn't get over the hump
- Members of that team got old and retired, putting the team further down the ladder
- Everything culminated with the infamous Ricky Davis attempted triple-double, where the SOB shot at his own basket (and intentionally missed) to get the rebound
- Three months later, the Cavaliers won the lottery (the first time that anything had actually gone right in over 30 years), and had the chance to draft not just the best prospect in years, but a local kid (say what you will about the distance between Cleveland and Akron; it's all one big area)
- For once, things seemed to be looking up for not just the team, but the city and the region as a whole
- Then he leaves

So let's compare, having walked through this very slowly.
- Browns fans knew that there would only be a three-year wait before there would be a team back in Cleveland
- Cavaliers fans don't have a similar guarantee; there's a completely uncertain future that isn't likely to have anywhere near the success of the last seven years
- We, the people of Ohio, are collectively sick and tired of hearing not just the national media, but the overwhelming majority of non-Ohioans, lining up to take shots at us. One would think that members of this board, being largely in the South, would have at least some idea of how incredibly irritating it is to hear those who have never been within 100 miles of the area in question act like a war zone in Africa is more appealing. I look at it the same as those who treat certain insults and slurs..."We're allowed to say it about ourselves, you're not."

Is there anyone more tortured than an Ohioan? There's areas that have had over 20% unemployment for 30 years, it's possible to buy entire city blocks of cities that used to be major manufacturing hubs, and every major sports team (pro or college) in the state either sucks or is Ohio State. There hasn't been a title since 1964, and, far from being teams that come oh-so-close and fall short, they're teams that have lost in unbelievably gut-wrenching fashion. Earnest Byner on the two-yard-line. Rich Karlis' wide left kick that was somehow ruled "good" after Horseteeth Elway went 98 yards to tie it. Jordan over Ehlo. Jose Mesa. Red Right 88. The list goes on and on and on.

Entitlement mentality? You must be joking. People feel sympathy for those ******* Cubs fans who revel in their team's suckage (whose city's misery, I might add, exists only in one of two baseball teams and nowhere else). Yet we're supposed to have done something to have deserved all this? Screw that.
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What do the Browns and Cleveland's fledgling economy have anything to do with a dude going to a play for a better team run by a better GM in a better city with hotter chicks and better weather?
 
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#58
#58
Jaytrain5 said:
So, what you're telling me is that Cleveland and its sports franchises suck?

I don't know what we were even arguing about then. I agree with you 10,000%.
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So where on earth did you derive an "entitlement mentality" from?
 
#60
#60
ranradVOL said:
Wow, i'm glad I have you to tell me how i'd feel.

I'm not the only one. There was a pole on hawksquawk.net and over 80% wouldn't want Lebron.
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Well I guess that tells us all how intelligent Hawks fans are :eek:lol: But being an organization that isn't used to winning anything I can understand the confusion :eek:lol: Seriously
 
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