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[McDad]

I fully understand the reasoning behind private schools. (profit)
There model is - "give us a lot of money and we will give your child an advantage over others".

Odd. The private school my son attends seems to have a model where those who can pay full tuition do so and those who need scholarship help are provided aid. Also, the model is one where teachers make less than their peers in the public schools because of their commitment to christian education.

Your model seems to define you much more than it defines my son's school.

 

[luthervol]

That's literally what public schools are doing too. Enriching themselves off of tax payer money.

Never having kids, guess what you still get to enrich the local public schools. Never send your kids to public and burden the system, guess what you still get to enrich the local public schools. Send you 4 kids through public schools for 20 years, guess what you still enrich the public schools 20 years after your last kid left any state program behind.

We've always had a socialistic educational system. It's one of the main things that made our country the envy of world.

 

[LouderVol]

We've always had a socialistic educational system. It's one of the main things that made our country the envy of world.

And somehow the internal failings of that socialist system are somehow due to the external activities of third parties?

 

[ButchPlz]

Odd. The private school my son attends seems to have a model where those who can pay full tuition do so and those who need scholarship help are provided aid. Also, the model is one where teachers make less than their peers in the public schools because of their commitment to christian education.

Your model seems to define you much more than it defines my son's school.

Exact same story at the private school in which my mom teaches. They've taken a handful of "problem" kids on full scholarship and turned them into successful, college-educated young adults.

On the other hand, the public school I attended had something like a 16% college attendance rate, drug issues, pregnancies, violence, etc.. I was miserable, because I (and a part of my class) were wanting to excel but ended up stuck in classes with kids that had no interest purely because of age, and half of our teachers just did not care and wanted to crush through Virginia's asinine standards of learning. And before anyone says anything, I didn't attend any inner-city school or any of that stuff that you'll try to talk about "institutional racism". Public schools are in most cases total garbage.

 

[luthervol]

Odd. The private school my son attends seems to have a model where those who can pay full tuition do so and those who need scholarship help are provided aid. Also, the model is one where teachers make less than their peers in the public schools because of their commitment to christian education.

Your model seems to define you much more than it defines my son's school.

lol.......They have no problem with teachers willingly working for less.
and I have no problem with private schools for religious purposes.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Doesn't work.

Has it been tried yet?

 

[McDad]

Exact same story at the private school in which my mom teaches. They've taken a handful of "problem" kids on full scholarship and turned them into successful, college-educated young adults.

On the other hand, the public school I attended had something like a 16% college attendance rate, drug issues, pregnancies, violence, etc.. I was miserable, because I (and a part of my class) were wanting to excel but ended up stuck in classes with kids that had no interest purely because of age, and half of our teachers just did not care and wanted to crush through Virginia's asinine standards of learning. And before anyone says anything, I didn't attend any inner-city school or any of that stuff that you'll try to talk about "institutional racism". Public schools are in most cases total garbage.

McSon1 was allowed to go to the huge high school but only to be in full AP and Honors classes. He was not in "general population".

 

[825VOL]

McSon1 was allowed to go to the huge high school but only to be in full AP and Honors classes. He was not in "general population".

This is exactly the way my daughters high school was set up. They had a magnate program and a general program. It worked very well for students that wanted to learn.

 

[AshG]

McSon1 was allowed to go to the huge high school but only to be in full AP and Honors classes. He was not in "general population".

That's the model I attended under, except I went Joint Enrollment instead of AP.

 

[allvol123]

Doesn't work.

Got data?

 

[ButchPlz]

McSon1 was allowed to go to the huge high school but only to be in full AP and Honors classes. He was not in "general population".

I was in every AP (6 total over my four years)/advanced class (don't know the exact count) I could take. Unfortunately, that ended up only being about three classes or four classes per year.

 

[MG1968]

Got data?

He has a continuum.

 

[luthervol]

Exact same story at the private school in which my mom teaches. They've taken a handful of "problem" kids on full scholarship and turned them into successful, college-educated young adults.

On the other hand, the public school I attended had something like a 16% college attendance rate, drug issues, pregnancies, violence, etc.. I was miserable, because I (and a part of my class) were wanting to excel but ended up stuck in classes with kids that had no interest purely because of age, and half of our teachers just did not care and wanted to crush through Virginia's asinine standards of learning. And before anyone says anything, I didn't attend any inner-city school or any of that stuff that you'll try to talk about "institutional racism". Public schools are in most cases total garbage.

Absolutely absurd. About 65% of the graduates from the 7 high schools in our district go to college.

 

[luthervol]

This is exactly the way my daughters high school was set up. They had a magnate program and a general program. It worked very well for students that wanted to learn.

That's the way most high schools are set up. If a student wants to learn, the opportunity is there. If a student wants vocational training, the opportunity is there. If a student wants ROTC, the opportunity is there. If a student wants to piss away his future, the opportunity is there.

 

[McDad]

I was in every AP (6 total over my four years)/advanced class (don't know the exact count) I could take. Unfortunately, that ended up only being about three classes or four classes per year.

We were fortunate in that every class was an AP or honors class. It was like a small community inside the larger school.

 

[volinbham]

We've always had a socialistic educational system. It's one of the main things that made our country the envy of world.

our public (k-12) educational system is the envy of the world?

 

[DynaLo]

Is the decline in public education mimicking the decline in home life stability with less parental involvement due to increased and sometimes erratic work hours?

We’ve gone from being able to reasonably support the family with one stable job to juggling multiple jobs to try and makes ends meet and still falling short at times. Some parents are just overwhelmed and not as involved in their child’s school anymore and of course some just don’t really give a damn.

We see kids doing things in classes that 20-40 years ago nobody would have ever thought to do because of the consequences awaiting at home.

 

[allvol123]

Is the decline in public education mimicking the decline in home life stability with less parental involvement due to increased and sometimes erratic work hours?

my amazement came from realizing they don’t want my engagement. My kids are from a 2 parent home and we are fully engaged in their educational outcomes. I have been taught in the past year and a half they want the relationship to be between the kid and the school. It has been stunning.

 

[ButchPlz]

my amazement came from realizing they don’t want my engagement. My kids are from a 2 parent home and we are fully engaged in their educational outcomes. I have been taught in the past year and a half they want the relationship to be between the kid and the school. It has been stunning.

Well when one of the left's highest profile gubernatorial candidates says "I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach" what do you expect?

The teachers unions and administrators are all on board with that stuff. They want zero accountability.

 

[allvol123]

Well when one of the left's highest profile gubernatorial candidates says "I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach" what do you expect?

The teachers unions and administrators are all on board with that stuff. They want zero accountability.

Teachers and admin are the equivalent of a bad police precinct. They close ranks fast and will not turn on one another. Damn the kid.

 

[McDad]

Teachers and admin are the equivalent of a bad police precinct. They close ranks fast and will not turn on one another. Damn the kid.

I've witnessed similar. And it is a damn shame, too. Very few people in a kids life can mean as much or inspire them beyond their own limitations like a teacher. The good ones are more precious that platinum. The bad aren't worth a plug nickel.

 

[allvol123]

I've witnessed similar. And it is a damn shame, too. Very few people in a kids life can mean as much or inspire them beyond their own limitations like a teacher. The good ones are more precious that platinum. The bad aren't worth a plug nickel.

We found this to be a very disappointing realization. I can’t imagine the poor kids that have just 1 parent or no real parent to turn to, they are effed.

You’re right l, a good teacher can be electrifying to a child’s soul. But they are rare it appears.

 

[luthervol]

our public (k-12) educational system is the envy of the world?

I said made. (past tense) But still the envy of much of the world.
The struggles facing our educational system would be another debate entirely.
But compare it to our healthcare system. In ways it is great, yet we lag almost the entire developed world in life expectancy.
Is that a fault of our healthcare system or are the reasons a little deeper?
National comparisons of life expectancy tells us as much about the effectiveness of our healthcare system as national comparisons of test data tells us about the effectiveness of our educational system.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

lol.......They have no problem with teachers willingly working for less.
and I have no problem with private schools for religious purposes.

Teachers will drop a public school job for a private one in a heartbeat. They will take the pay cut to get better behaved kids, better facilities, and engaged parents.

 

[ButchPlz]

Teachers will drop a public school job for a private one in a heartbeat. They will take the pay cut to get better behaved kids, better facilities, and engaged parents.

The good ones will. Most either are too incompetent to get the good job or enjoy coasting by doing nothing. A public teacher in-law of mine spent her entire day (when she was supposed to be teaching) posting stories about how her kids were "nazis" on Instagram.